Second Official Greenday Thread

[wheelchairman]

Talk about Greenday here.

My god you guys can talk about Greenday...over 2500 replies?

Anyways we had to close it because Greenday.com sent us a legal injunction forbidding us to use their trademark Greenday™. So we were forced to close the thread for fear of a lawsuit. (But we're tru-fuckin-punx so we're starting one again anyways!)









...Nah just joking, none of that's true. The thread size had grown too big for the server to handle easily so we're breaking down the largest threads into bite-sized server-chunks.

[Jakebert]

So let's talk about that Youtube video from the original thread.

I really like it. Although I wasn't thinking I'd be excited for a new Green Day album, I really liked the vibe of that song a lot.

[Cock Joke]

LOL it's Green Day, not Greenday. :p

As I said before, that riff he was playing reminded me so much of classic Green Day. I'm glad they're staying that way, because although American Idiot was good, I was worried that they'd change direction to the point where it just wasn't Green Day anymore. That, and those hippie covers they did kinda got me worried.

But yea, this is gonna be the Green Day that Green Day fans all know and love, and knowing Green Day, it's probably gonna put a nice, surprising spin on things like American Idiot did!

Also, I said "Green Day" like about 6 times in this post not including the last one! :eek:

[EMehl6]

Well, I haven't listened to Green Day since "American Idiot" came out, because I absolutely despised that album, barring a few songs. But, if this new YouTube thing shows that they're going back to sound they originally became known for, I might be remotely interested again. Link please?

[jacknife737]

As I mentioned in the other thread, I find that the stuff played in the clip has an almost Warning vibe about it. Now, Green Day is one of my favorite bands, but after listening to American Idiot literally everyday from Sept of 04 to Jan of 05, I got sick of them. Lately I’ve been breaking out their “middle albums”, ie Warning (their best work imo) and Nimrod, but I am now starting to get really excited for the new album. This video clip just adds to that anticipation, I hope they keep us updated.

I’m really curious to see how big of an impact that Butch Vig has on their sound.


Link please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yGoEG1Jn5s&fmt=18

[Jakebert]

I don't think that song sounds like "classic Green Day" the way everyone says it does. I think it sounds more like Warning than "classic Green Day". Which is ot a bad thing, as Warning is my favorite Green Day album, I just don't see where everyone is getting the "classic Green Day" vibe from it.

[dff_punk]

The first song on that video feels like a more "classic GD" to me, while the second song seems like it could have been on Warning.

[Cock Joke]

Warning's pretty classic by my standards. I guess it would have been better to say pre-American Idiot.

[Autonomist]

Does it really still need to be stickied?

[H1T_That]

Am i the only one who thinks it sounds pretty boring?


I second the motion for it to be un-stickied.

[jacknife737]

Second video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY4J-kzPAzY&eurl=http://www.punknews.org/article/30861

Not quite as interesting as the first, it's mostly just "behind the scenes" footage, and no cool riffs this time. Although I must say, the "drum bit" sounds like it would sound really cool in a song.

[fashionvictim91]

Ok, so I'm new to this thread, but i needed someone's opinion about something.
im an entertainment reporter for my schools newspaper and im writing an article about green day (Im a huge green day fan) soo im writing a pro green day article about them:)... anyone have any good ideas... my editor is anti green day grrrrr:mad:

[jacknife737]

you can discuss how they played a role in the "punk revival" or 1994.

[Jesus]

And probably once again in 2004 too. Brought some fresh blood too.

Lets hope they don't go back to old Green Day too much, because if I wanna hear that I could just play some older Green Day albums. They are one of the few (big) punk rock bands together with The Offspring that change to something new with every album, lets hope they continue with that and not just redo some old album like pennywise or bad religion do. That's not the Green Day I know.

Don't understand the American Idiot bashing either (sure I got tired of it a bit too, but that's because of overplaying it too, not because it sucks), reminds me way too much of the Americana bashing from 99 to 03. Ow noes a lot of people I don't like, like one of the bands I like!

But seeing as how Warning is loved nowadays, when it was bashed until a few years ago it'll probably change with American Idiot too.



That, and those hippie covers they did kinda got me worried.

That I will always fail to understand. How someone could think it's bad to record a song for a Lennon covers album for Amnesty International's Darfur campaign. Or your political leanings are conservative in which case you'd better stop, take some blablabla.

[Free?]

I can't imagine Green Day coming back to their old sound. They never did actually and they never will.

[cool 2 hate 681]

anyone have any good ideas

don't write about them it's a waste of time and paper;)

[jacknife737]

Don't understand the American Idiot bashing either (sure I got tired of it a bit too, but that's because of overplaying it too, not because it sucks), reminds me way too much of the Americana bashing from 99 to 03. Ow noes a lot of people I don't like, like one of the bands I like!

But seeing as how Warning is loved nowadays, when it was bashed until a few years ago it'll probably change with American Idiot too.

Completely agree. It's a solid album front too back. The reason i feel lots of people hate it is due to over-exposure. I probably listened to the album literally every day from Sept 04-January 05, then i could even look at a picture of the band, i was just too sick of them. Although i don't quite love the album as much as I did between Oct-Dec 2004, i still think it's a great album, and that if it ended up being a flop-sales wise, a lot of people would be hailing the album as some of their best work.


That I will always fail to understand. How someone could think it's bad to record a song for a Lennon covers album for Amnesty International's Darfur campaign. Or your political leanings are conservative in which case you'd better stop, take some blablabla.

Although i agree it's a good cause, and i'm glad they did it. I still really dislike that song, although to be fair, i hated the original. I also really hate that cover they did with U2, but again, i also hate U2.

[Free?]

a lot of people would be hailing the album as some of their best work.

Albums that had the biggest commercial success always will be "band's best works".



Although i agree it's a good cause, and i'm glad they did it. I still really dislike that song, although to be fair, i hated the original. I also really hate that cover they did with U2, but again, i also hate U2.

Oh yeah, The Saints Are Coming makes me sick, ways too boring, repetitive and I just hate that chorus, it's so below even an amateurish level.

[jacknife737]

Albums that had the biggest commercial success always will be "band's best works".

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean as a general consensus amongst fans, or critically? It's not that i necessarily disagree, its just that i find a lot of Green Day fans have this hatred for American Idiot that i feel is undeserved.

[Free?]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean as a general consensus amongst fans, or critically? It's not that i necessarily disagree, its just that i find a lot of Green Day fans have this hatred for American Idiot that i feel is undeserved.

Oh, sorry for a late reply, what I meant was that after 10 or 20 years everybody will remember Dookie and American Idiot as Green Day's bests, partially because with huge commercial success band gains a lot of new fans who will remember that album as special "first love". Also, most of informative sources will say that Dookie and American Idiot were the most important of GD works. You want it or not, but it has a big influence of defining "the band's best albums". Same thing will be with The Offspring's Smash and Americana (and hopefully RAFRAG, it has such chances too imo).
Could you name any best selling album by any band that wouldn't belong to the band's bests-of-all-time? ;)

[cool 2 hate 681]

edit edit edit

[_Lost_]

Warning (their best work imo)

i've never been more on the same page with anyone...

[You Suck Hater OFFSPRING!]

Offspring is better than greengay!!!!





Ohhhhhhhhh yewah!!!!!!!!!!!

[0r4ng3]

...what the fuck just happened?

[jacknife737]

HUGE NEWS!

Cheers to lostandclowned at punknews.org for providing the scans.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan3.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan4.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan6.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan7.jpg

So structurally it's apparently very similar to American Idiot in some ways; there are 3 Acts (Act 1 Heroes and Cons; Act 2 Charlatans and Saints - Act 3 Horseshoes and Handgrenades).

They are working on 16 songs, which titles include, Last Night On Earth, March of the Dogs, 21st Century Breakdown and the goal seems to be for a spring release. (some songs also include piano, I guess that's the new thing for pop-punk bands)

I'm really excited for this, based off some of the song summaries, this seems to have a similar sound to Warning. This should be one of my favorite releases of 2008.

[Skinny]

...what the fuck just happened?

A very excited possibly eight year old, new Offspring forums member just called Greenday GreenGay and said the Offspring are much better than Greenday. It would be nice if new members would calm down and make actual meaningful posts every now and again.

[Cock Joke]

Thanks for posting that, Jacknife!

I remember hearing that it was gonna be a triple disc set. Maybe the "Three Acts" thing stems from that idea? It's innovative and intriguing. Points for that! I'm glad that they're going for the epicnicity that is American Idiot and the musical sound that is Warning. It may appeal to fans both old & new. Sweet!

[IamSam]

HUGE NEWS!

Cheers to lostandclowned at punknews.org for providing the scans.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan3.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan4.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan6.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan7.jpg

So structurally it's apparently very similar to American Idiot in some ways; there are 3 Acts (Act 1 Heroes and Cons; Act 2 Charlatans and Saints - Act 3 Horseshoes and Handgrenades).

They are working on 16 songs, which titles include, Last Night On Earth, March of the Dogs, 21st Century Breakdown and the goal seems to be for a spring release. (some songs also include piano, I guess that's the new thing for pop-punk bands)

I'm really excited for this, based off some of the song summaries, this seems to have a similar sound to Warning. This should be one of my favorite releases of 2008.

I'd like to hear samples of these...just because the descriptions don't really stir my interest...sadly enough.

[Llamas]

If it's actually similar to Warning, I could like it. That description, however, sounds like they are trying way too hard to be deep/profound... and they're just not a band that can pull that off without sounding cheesy or pathetic.

[IamSam]

If it's actually similar to Warning, I could like it. That description, however, sounds like they are trying way too hard to be deep/profound... and they're just not a band that can pull that off without sounding cheesy or pathetic.

That's exactly what I was thinking but couldn't put it into words.

[jacknife737]

Yeah, the word "ambitious" does come to mind; but i'm still optimistic, since i've yet to be really disappointed by this band.

[Llamas]

By the way, I'm going to be super annoyed if the "three acts" turn out to just be titles, and there is virtually nothing to actually distinguish the three... kind of like I was annoyed when their "multi-movement" songs on AI were each like 5 songs shoved together with no breaks in between them.

[NGNM85]

I haven't been following this much but from what I've heard of the proojected album I'm not enthusiastic. Warning was sub-par but ok, I thought American Idiot was crap. A rock opera? Jesus christ. The songs are uninspired and many seem to be lesser retreads of better material. The new look is awful, I listen to Insomniac, or 1, 039/Smoothed and wonder "What Happened?" Everything changes, true, but not always for the better. Green Day appear to be succumbing to the third law of thermodynamics. I hope for the best, but expect the new album to be crap.

[jacknife737]

Has anyone checked out their homepage in the last little while? I kind of like the style, i wonder if it's going to be similar to the album art on the upcoming album?

[IamSam]

I like it too, although it reminds me of something that I can't put my finger on...

[IamSam]

I like it too, although it reminds me of something that I can't put my finger on...

I figured out what it reminded me of. Cranes... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadako_and_the_Thousand_Paper_Cranes)

[D0Kl3_th3_PUNK]

I think that lately green day has been selling ojut waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy to much

[jacknife737]

In an actual update, Kerrange magazine is claiming that Billie Joe described the new record as being "power pop". http://www.greendayauthority.com/articles/Kerrang/0109.jpg

Safe to say, that makes me pretty happy, i'm really starting to expect an album similar to Warning.

[0r4ng3]

They're probably going to get a lot of shit for that, but let's face it, what don't they get shit for nowadays?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new album.

On another note, I've noticed a pattern in which Green Day release their albums, dating back to Dookie.

Dookie - 1994
Insomniac - 1995, 1 year difference
Nimrod - 1997, 2 years
Warning - 2000, 3 years
American Idiot - 2004, 4 years
(new album) - 2009, 5 years

Here's hoping they don't take until 2015 to release another one.

[byrdmom73]

Hi there,
I am looking for any help locating a Green Day bootleg from Tacoma Wa. on Sept. 26th 2005. I am hoping to give this as a gift to someone who attended that show. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would so much appreciate it! Thanks- Rachel

[RODNEYMULLEN]

Does anyone have a high quality copy of Pennywise - Straight Ahead, the copy i have is 128kbps.

[IamSam]

Does anyone have a high quality copy of Pennywise - Straight Ahead, the copy i have is 128kbps.

Wrong thread dude.

[RODNEYMULLEN]

Wrong thread dude.

Shit, my bad.

[maplejet]

HUGE NEWS!

Cheers to lostandclowned at punknews.org for providing the scans.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan3.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan4.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan6.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x89/xFMRx/scan7.jpg

So structurally it's apparently very similar to American Idiot in some ways; there are 3 Acts (Act 1 Heroes and Cons; Act 2 Charlatans and Saints - Act 3 Horseshoes and Handgrenades).

They are working on 16 songs, which titles include, Last Night On Earth, March of the Dogs, 21st Century Breakdown and the goal seems to be for a spring release. (some songs also include piano, I guess that's the new thing for pop-punk bands)

I'm really excited for this, based off some of the song summaries, this seems to have a similar sound to Warning. This should be one of my favorite releases of 2008.

Hmm, that sounds interesting...Still questionable of the decision to go more into power pop than punk rock. They needed to do a style of music that kicks all of those emo scenesters who ransacked the band away.

[Budzy]

I love Greenday, but I don't like how the band makes songs that they can't play live without the help of additional musicians. Like on Bullet In A Bible, how Billy Joe ditches the guitar and just runs around dancing and singing his song, while some other guy who isn't mentioned in the actual band line-up has to play the lead guitar. Like The Offspring has had Higgins and now Andrew Freeman and people like that, but when they have to start playing the lead guitar I think that's a bit silly.

Favorite Greenday songs: Basket Case, Jesus Of Suburbia, St Jimmy, Longview and Welcome to Paradise.

[Cock Joke]

I just wanna be the 1st to say in the official Green Day thread:

NEW FUCKIN' ALBUM! 21ST CENTURY BREAK-DOWN BITCHEZ! IT'S GONNA SHOVE A GREAT BIG COCK DOWN YO' THROAT! FUCK YEA!

[metalmania]

i have to say that greenday's music style is better than offspring's and i guess offspring's last album's some songs's intros (rafrag) re almost like greenday's sound.

[Flux]

I should seriously be in here. I’m loving GD’s old stuff more than the new.

[Free?]

http://www.greenday.com/site/news_black.php
Some update and the very humble upcoming album trailer, which isn't too unveiling anyway. To keep us warm.
After SIFU tour announcement doesn't look too original ;].

[jacknife737]

[url]Some update and the very humble upcoming album trailer, which isn't too unveiling anyway. To keep us warm.
After SIFU tour announcement doesn't look too original ;].

I lol'd.

Wanted to slam my head on my desk during the "encore" part; still, i eagerly await the release of the first single.

[Jesus]

Mathew Cullen is the director of the video for Know your enemy

http://www.motiontheory.com/director/mathew-cullen

[jacknife737]

Cool, thanks for the update Jesus!

Part of an article scan; here is the entire track listing with a little blurb by Billie Joe explaining the subject matter behind each one. 17 tracks in total

http://i40.tinypic.com/ih42yw.jpg

[Free?]

Cool, thanks for the update Jesus!

Part of an article scan; here is the entire track listing with a little blurb by Billie Joe explaining the subject matter behind each one. 17 tracks in total

http://i40.tinypic.com/ih42yw.jpg

Oh God, how I'm glad that Offspring don't do any rock-opera albums! Too bad that American Idiot inspired and influenced Green Day ways too much, it's crazy how they changed.

[dff_punk]

Hey, did any other tracks from the album leak, except for the title track?

[jacknife737]

No, just the demo of the title track, at least that's the only on that i've been able to find.

[MoonTan™]

OMFG i just heard some songs of 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours and FUCK they were GOOD, and the solo in Dry Ice is FUCKING EPIC,i HATE to say it but 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours kicks anything the offspring have ever done, sorry but fuck its just so damm good.

but the offspring are still better :]
(but ahh i miss the days when the offspring were more technical in there music)

[randman21]

and the solo in Dry Ice is FUCKING EPIC,i HATE to say it but 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours kicks anything the offspring have ever done, sorry but fuck its just so damm good.


Wow, I gotta say that much more than I thought Billie Joe could do, but I wouldn't call it more epic than, say, Forever and a Day's solo. I think it has to do with your familiarity with Green Day vs Offspring. Anyway, I realize that going there makes me lame, so I'll stop. :o Forgive me for trivialize your tastes, dudeski.

[MoonTan™]

Wow, I gotta say that much more than I thought Billie Joe could do, but I wouldn't call it more epic than, say, Forever and a Day's solo. I think it has to do with your familiarity with Green Day vs Offspring. Anyway, I realize that going there makes me lame, so I'll stop. :o Forgive me for trivialize your tastes, dudeski.


Its just ive always been a metal fan, and don't get me wrong, i love offspring solos, i guess it was just a surpirse to hear somthing different, all of their old solos are great, and so are noodles, but jezz it was a huge surprise to hear billie do somthing like that after just watching a video when another guy did the Holiday solo for him lol.

[jacknife737]

The video premier will be April 24th, at 8pm on MTV. I think the single is supposed to hit the radio a bit before that, closer to the middle of the month.

[Cock Joke]

I'll be sure to catch that shit!

[jacknife737]

http://greendayauthority.com/site_images/knowenemysingle.jpgSingle artwork

On Monday a 90second clip of Know Your Enemy is going to played during a basketball montage on CBS prior to the NCAA game. I really can't wait to hear it.

[jacknife737]

30 Second Preview of Know Your Enemy up on the offical site, you can also listen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7yF9Lza9Q

I'm going to with hold judging it completely until i hear the whole version, but so far it sounds pretty good. People hoping for something like Insomniac Part II are probably going to be disappointed though.

[maplejet]

Such a shame I'm at work around 9 PM and don't get out until 9:30....will try to hear the full sound later tonight.

[dff_punk]

Not bad, expected a little faster song, but looking forward to the full version!

[SelfEsteem94]

Green Day have a few good songs,
but their cover of Operation Ivy's song Knowledge is terrible.

their new songs sounds alright.

[mip_04]

Green Day is also a great band! But I always prefer OFFSPRING! They are the best of the world!



:p;):)

[medi01]

90 sec clip of "Know your enemy" is up on green days myspace aand one their website (http://www.greenday.com/splash_black.php?accesscheck=%2Flogin_check.php).

sounds ok...nothing special, and sounds pretty repetative, but then its only a sample

[Camilamazed]

Green day are worse then U2. 89 bucks for a deluxe edition of 21stCBD?

:mad:

[cool 2 hate 681]

i hear they are playing a small show in san francisco tonight

[Llamas]

Cool, thanks for the update Jesus!

Part of an article scan; here is the entire track listing with a little blurb by Billie Joe explaining the subject matter behind each one. 17 tracks in total

http://i40.tinypic.com/ih42yw.jpg

Ugh. I think I am pretty done with Green Day. I listened to the leaked song, and read that article... and this band has just gotten far too pretentious. And well, hey, I'm cool with pretentious if you deserve to be. But Green Day? American Idiot and now this song both sound like the band tries WAY too hard to be deep and smart and amazing song writers... they're not good at it. Their long songs (which they incorrectly call "multi movement") are sooo boring, and this new song is, too. Making a song that's 8 minutes full of power chords and yelling vocals... that's not a well written prog rock song; that's tryhard.

BJ's description of each song just reeks of pretentiousness, too. I can't stand it. He's soooooo full of himself, and ugh.

Green Day was fun from the beginning through Warning. Now I just can't stand them. :-/

[IamSam]

I'm starting to lose interest in this album after hearing the couple clips and the descriptions of the songs.

[Camilamazed]

Green day played last night in San Francisco. Here are some previews of what's coming.


Peacemaker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNcQToM66sk&feature=channel
.
East Jesus Nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AcZ794IU_Y&feature=channel
.
Last Night On Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P0TdLDHKEs&feature=channel
.
Before the Lobotomy (intro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBLXveS89Vw&feature=channel
.
Before the Lobotomy (later on)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38MaNLQqc94&feature=channel
.
Christian's Inferno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyh5xy9vBpk&feature=channel
.
Last of the American Girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGB8k6JVDsE&feature=channel
.
Viva La Gloria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgtQ57syJYY&feature=channel

[dff_punk]

Some of those samples made me think of some previously released Green Day songs, but overall it seems it will be a really nice album :)

[jacknife737]

They also played F.O.D. and J.A.R.that night. I hope they're not afraid to throw in a few of the older tracks when they finally get around to touring.

[IamSam]

I like Peacemaker, East Jesus Nowhere, and Last of the American Girls sounds like it could be interesting.

[dff_punk]

The opening riff of East Jesus Nowhere sounds like something The Offspring would do :o

[jacknife737]

I really liked Christian's Inferno.


The opening riff of East Jesus Nowhere sounds like something The Offspring would do :o

Dexter should totally sue them.

[Cock Joke]

They started the tour already? Shit yea! I hope I can be able to catch them!

EDIT: The site still says world tour coming soon. :confused: :mad:

[Free?]

The opening riff of East Jesus Nowhere sounds like something The Offspring would do :o

Totally. :]
Also I can see in the nearest future a thread about "Last Of The American Girls" is WDYGAJ ripoff. Haha.

[Cbonham5]

They also played F.O.D. and J.A.R.that night. I hope they're not afraid to throw in a few of the older tracks when they finally get around to touring.

is that a slight reference to something?;)

FYI: it didn't come out that way but the WHEN THEY GET AROUND part was supposed to be italicized

[jacknife737]

Yeah, this isn't my upload, but here is a bootleg of the 21st Century songs played during the California club gig.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zynnwwnionm

Be warned though, the quality is really shitty, i mean, much worse then the videos that Camila posted, so keep an open mind until you hear the actual album version of the tracks. You'll be able to get a feel of the songs, but probably won't be able to make out a lot of the lyrics (kind of like the first bootleg of Hammerhead during Summersonic).

So far, based off the videos and this bootleg, Last Night On Earth, Peacemaker and Christian Inferno are my favorite so far.

Edit: Some songs from this album seem to have this really cool Warning vibe about them.

Edit II: Drama Queen is also a pretty catchy song: in the bootleg, it kind of sounds like security was taking the camera of the people beside the recorder.

[dff_punk]

Desperate sounds like it will be my favorite song from the album. I get this classic Green Day vibe from it.

[jacknife737]

I was always excited for this album, but to be honest, after reading some of the song descriptions i became really hesitant, like the Rolling Stone review threw around words like "John Lennon" and "The Beatles" and i started to get worried, but so far, i've really liked what i've heard. They've got some straight ahead, catchy punk stuff. And the slowish songs sound pretty good too.


Desperate sounds like it will be my favorite song from the album. I get this classic Green Day vibe from it.

Yeah, it sounds like it's something they could have stuck on Insomniac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYU9wGKoS34
(decent quality video for anyone else interested)

[dff_punk]

To be honest, firstly I wasn't stoked about this album almost at all... The title track which I heard first seemed kinda mediocre to me, but now when I heard those other songs, I guess I can say I'm pumped. Thanks for the link Jacknife, this confirmed I'm going to like this song. From the others, Peacemaker was the other one that really caught my attention.

[IamSam]

Ok...I'm regaining interest in this album. There are too many songs pushing me towards being intrigued by it now. Desperate, East Jesus Nowhere, Peacemaker, Before the Lobotomy, and Christian's Inferno...this may be good stuff!

[Camilamazed]

Just got news from the idiot club and there is gonna be a second show tonight in San Francisco.

=)

[Llamas]

Peacemaker
.
East Jesus Nowhere
.
Last Night On Earth
.
Before the Lobotomy (intro)
.
Before the Lobotomy (later on)
.
Christian's Inferno
.
Last of the American Girls
.
Viva La Gloria

They all sounded really lame except Peacemaker and Christian's Inferno. Way too many slow songs on here. None of these guys are talented enough to write so many of those kinds of songs, imo.

[jacknife737]

So i post in this thread way too much, but i thought some people may appreciate this; Green Day is playing a club show in san francisco tonight, and it seems as if it's going to get a live webcam broadcast! The doors for the show open 8pm local time, and i don't think there are any openers. There is supposed to be audio for this later, but we'll have to wait and see.

http://www.dnalounge.com/webcast/justin.tv.html

Edit: the stream seems to have stopped, so maybe it's not getting broadcast after all.

Edit II: Yeah, really not looking like it's going to be shown; i really should get back to working on my essay.

Edit III: Certainly should have realized that the band's label wasn't going to let some random website stream their new album live, over a month prior to its release. Still, at least there should be more media up.

[dff_punk]

Haha, isn't justin.tv this kids thingy where 12-year-olds have webcasts?

[jacknife737]

Probably, but the club has a legit broadcast there. They have cameras that face the stage, ect. They were playing live video while Green Day's road crew was setting up, but it cut out about an hour before the doors to the club opened.

[cool 2 hate 681]

i just heard a ad on kroq they are going to premiere know your enemy tonight

[dff_punk]

Yeah, I heard that too. Did they premiere it already?

[cool 2 hate 681]

for some reason tonight turned into soon i hate it when radio stations put out false ads :mad:

[RonWelty]

Most are shit songs like most of them. The main fact here is that if you exclude 2 or 3 songs they lack too the mainstream appeal that American Idiot had in some sides of the music market. They will sell well on the first month or two after that it will stall. You will see. It seems to me they got a RAFRAG with this one. Most fans will rank it above mediocrity but it will lack enought appeal to make people buy whole record and not just singles (YGGFK and Hammerhead).

[jacknife737]

Complete, updated tracklisting and lyrics posted on the official website. There are 18 tracks now. A few titles were changed; with the bootleg that i posted earlier, the song "Drama Queen" is actually called "Static Age". The lyrics to the album version of the title track are noticeably different from the leaked demo version.

Some interesting lyrics,

From Mass Hysteria,

Fight fire with a riot
The class war is hanging on a wire
Because the martyr is a compulsive liar
When he said
"It's just a bunch of niggers throwing gas into the hysteria"

Christians Inferno

This diabolic state is gracing my existence
Like a catasrophic baby
Maybe you're the chemical reaction
I am the atom bomb
I am the chosen one
Toxin your reservoir
And then return man to ape

East Jesus Nowhere

Raise your hands now to testify
Your confession will be crucified
You're a sacrificial suicide
Like a dog that's been sodomized
Stand up! - All the white boys
Sit down! - All the black girls
You're the soldiers of the new world


Peacemaker

Well now the caretaker's the undertaker
Now I'm gonna go out and get the peacemaker
This is the neo St. Valentines Massacre
Well call up the Gaza hey hey

[Cock Joke]

The album's gonna rule! I hope they fuckin' come by me during the tour!

[Free?]

The album is gonna be epic.
I mean epic.
I mean so epic that it will hurt.
I mean a thousand stars simultaneous explosions that cause mass supernovas and which will decide the existence of our and hundreds other universes - epic.
I mean too motherfucking epic.

[RonWelty]

The album is gonna be epic.
I mean epic.
I mean so epic that it will hurt.
I mean a thousand stars simultaneous explosions that cause mass supernovas and which will decide the existence of our and hundreds other universes - epic.
I mean too motherfucking epic.

Join the IDIOT CLUB. Epic is the new Offspring Tour. Believe it.

[Free?]

Join the IDIOT CLUB. Epic is the new Offspring Tour. Believe it.

Nah, I'm more of a solo idiot :P. Also this:
http://909sickle.com/faks/sarcasm-detector.png
I think you missed my point.

[Cock Joke]

Join the IDIOT CLUB. Epic is the new Offspring Tour. Believe it.

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[MoonTan™]

one for the razorbacks FUCKING OWNS

[Rooster]

The album is gonna be epic.
I mean epic.
I mean so epic that it will hurt.
I mean a thousand stars simultaneous explosions that cause mass supernovas and which will decide the existence of our and hundreds other universes - epic.
I mean too motherfucking epic.

You mean more epic than this? (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Bat_Fuck_Insane)

or even this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQq97eDJ-Gk)

[Jesus]

They also played F.O.D. and J.A.R.that night. I hope they're not afraid to throw in a few of the older tracks when they finally get around to touring.

They even played worry rock one time I think, they hardly ever played that in the past IIRC. Also sets of 2 to 2 and half hours. Awesome.

[dff_punk]

Here is the radio rip of Know Your Enemy, if anyone is interested.

http://rapidshare.com/files/221967245/Green_Day_-_Know_Your_Enemy__radio_.mp3

[Omni]

Green Day is so much better than Offspring. Discuss.

[Free?]

Green Day is so much better than Offspring. Discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ

[randman21]

This is no time for sarcasm, Free?. We have been chosen to listen to the first broadcast of the first single off 21st Century Breakdown. We must not squander this opportunity, because if we're lucky, they may grant us the chance to actually buy 21st Century Breakdown. This has been an exciting week for me, but this beats all.

[Free?]

This is no time for sarcasm, Free?. We have been chosen to listen to the first broadcast of the first single off 21st Century Breakdown. We must not squander this opportunity, because if we're lucky, they may grant us the chance to actually buy 21st Century Breakdown. This has been an exciting week for me, but this beats all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ
[the most overused acronym ever][the most overused acronym ever][the most overused acronym ever]

[dff_punk]

I clicked on each one! Am I getting stupid over the years?

[randman21]

^OF COURSE! a

[jacknife737]

So after Rolling Stone reviewed this song, i was ready to despise it, but i think it's going to be one of my favorite songs from the album

Last Night on Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9g3PKg9_xw

[Free?]

Damn, I wanted to read some Green Day fans thoughts about the single and album, and I found out that I can't unless I'll pay $20 (per year) to be able to visit it. Duh.

[jacknife737]

Damn, I wanted to read some Green Day fans thoughts about the single and album, and I found out that I can't unless I'll pay $20 (per year) to be able to visit it. Duh.

The biggest fan site, Green Day Authority has a forum. I find this site to be really useful about news about the band, but i do find that the comments from the users of the site will make you bang your head against your desk, the average age of the posters on there is probably like 14.

Comments about a news posting regarding the single
http://greendayauthority.com/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1239889129&archive=

offical forums
http://www.greendaycommunity.org/Forum/index.php

[Free?]

The biggest fan site, Green Day Authority has a forum. I find this site to be really useful about news about the band, but i do find that the comments from the users of the site will make you bang your head against your desk, the average age of the posters on there is probably like 14.

Comments about a news posting regarding the single
http://greendayauthority.com/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1239889129&archive=

offical forums
http://www.greendaycommunity.org/Forum/index.php

Oh thank you! I'm trying googling for not-official fansites, but it's going not as easy as I expected. Anyway, it doesn't matter now :].
Haha, it's the same page with the song streaming you posted before! Funny that I didn't think about scrolling it down.

[findout5]

I enjoyed Warning and AI - both ambicious records, and different from what they had done before. From the 3 songs I've heard so far, 2 sound like Queen! WTF?!? Are they gonna no all out MCR and be the new Queen?? I hope not!

[mip_04]

I like "when I come around" and "basket case", both from Green Day!
They are great songs, I guess...

[RageAndLov]

The Network is better than Foxboro Hot Tubs

[Jesus]

pinhead gunpowder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIrgMjl_UQU) beats'm both though.

Anyway the first batch of US and Canadian summer tour dates have been announced.

July 2009
3rd Seattle, WA
4th Vancouver, BC
6th Edmonton, AB
7th Saskatoon, SAS
9th Winnipeg, MAN
10th Fargo, ND
11th Minneapolis, MN
13th Chicago, IL
14th Detroit, MI
16th Hamilton, ONT
17th Ottawa, ONT
18th Montreal, QUE
20th Boston, MA
21st Philadelphia, PA
22nd Pittsburgh, PA
24th Hartford, CT
25th Albany, NY
27th New York, NY
29th Washington, DC
31st Nashville, TN

August 2009
1st Atlanta, GA
3rd Tampa, FL
4th Miami, FL
5th Orlando, FL
7th New Orleans, LA
8th Houston, TX
9th San Antonio, TX
11th St. Louis, MO
12th Kansas City, MO
13th Omaha, NE
15th Denver, CO
16th Salt Lake City, UT
18th San Jose, CA
20th San Diego, CA
21st Las Vegas, NV
22nd Phoenix, AZ
24th Sacramento, CA
25th Los Angeles, CA

[RageAndLov]

I'm patiently waiting for the tour dates in Europe.

[jacknife737]

pinhead gunpowder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIrgMjl_UQU) beats'm both though.

This.

The biggest "wtf" for me about those dates is not just the lack of a Toronto show, but the fact that they're playing Hamilton right before Ottawa. I kind of wonder if it's a misprint. It's like they play Hamilton, and then drive through the biggest city in the country, skip it, and then go on to a smaller city.

[SuperKnux]

Okay, so.. if there are any B-sides, leaks, mp3s, or links to any songs off "21st Century Breakdown", can I count on this thread to deliver the goods the second they hit the internet?

Cause I'm getting tired of these fansites/fan message boards that are anal about such material being posted.

[IamSam]

You can be pretty certain they will be here. People on here are usually pretty good about throwing downloads out here, especially cool 2 hate. Mad props to that cat.

[dff_punk]

I'm getting tired of these fansites/fan message boards that are anal

This amused me greatly and made me think of this board.

[findout5]

I don't think this has been posted before in here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=90VESKZP

That's the 1st single and a b-side.
Single is OK, a nice song. B-side, not so good!

[jacknife737]

I like the new video in theory, more then i do in practice.

I dig the concept; the band playing surrounded by this 1984-esq backdrop (security cameras, helicopters with searchlights, barbed wire, ect). But in the end, it's really just a video of the band playing outdoors.

[bighead384]

Oh my god Dexter was looking at this thread for like 20 minutes last night.

[Cock Joke]

Hold on! The video doesn't premiere 'til 8:00 tonight! Unless it's different in Canada. It probably is.

And LOL at Dexter looking at the thread. :D

[jacknife737]

Oh my god Dexter was looking at this thread for like 20 minutes last night.

Hahaha, really?

Zag,

http://www.punknews.org/article/33243

I wasn't able to watch this version, since i'm in Canada, but i was able to find it on a Canadian website (much music).

[bighead384]

Hahaha, really?


Yeah, I'm serious. I kept checking to see what he was doing while he was online. It said he was looking at it for about 15 minutes. Unless he just left it open while he was doing something else.

[RonWelty]

Green Day copied Offspring's widget idea. Check kroq.com.

EDIT: Dexter was here to download the single. Maybe then he can do another new song :D. He just needs some inspiration.

[Alison]

The new song sounds like Jesus of Suburbia I think...or sounds like it came right off American idiot anyway. A bit repetitive. I don't like. Didn't think video was anything special either.

[jacknife737]

The album will be streaming on vh1 starting on May 8th.
http://blog.vh1.com/2009-04-20/listen-to-green-days-new-cd-one-week-early/

and without too much of an attempt to incite the old rivalry; Know You're Enemy debut on #20 on Toronto's the Edge top 30; Hammerhead made it to #15 on its first week.

[RonWelty]

The album will be streaming on vh1 starting on May 8th.
http://blog.vh1.com/2009-04-20/listen-to-green-days-new-cd-one-week-early/

and without too much of an attempt to incite the old rivalry; Know You're Enemy debut on #20 on Toronto's the Edge top 30; Hammerhead made it to #15 on its first week.

good news for Offspring's army.

[SuperKnux]

Give it a rest Ron.

Oh, and it's The Offspring Nation, not The Offspring Army. lol todo mamon.

[RageAndLov]

EDIT: Dexter was here to download the single. Maybe then he can do another new song :D. He just needs some inspiration.

Hahaha! Nice :D

[Jesus]

I like the new video in theory, more then i do in practice.


Probably because the company that made the video was Motion Theory *badaboom*

/Jesus delivering bad humor since year 0

[Jesus]

European tour dates:

SEPTEMBER
28 Lisbon, Portugal, Atlantico Pavilion
29 Madrid, Spain, Palacio de Deportes de la Comunidad

OCTOBER
01 Barcelona, Spain, Palau Sant Jordi
02 Toulouse, France, Zenith
04 Paris, France, Bercy
05 Cologne, Germany, Cologne Arena
07 Berlin, Germany, 02 World Arena
08 Hamburg, Germany, Color Line Arena
09 Copenhagen, Denmark, Forum
11 Stockholm, Sweden, The Globe
12 Oslo, Norway, Spectrum
16 Rotterdam, Netherlands, Ahoy
17 Antwerp, Belgium, Sportpalais
19 Glasgow, Scotland, SECC
20 Belfast, Northern Ireland, Odyssey Arena
21 Dublin, Ireland, The 02
23 London, England, The 02
24 London, England, The 02
26 Sheffield, England, Sheffield Arena
27 Birmingham, England. LG Arena
28 Birmingham, England, LG Arena
30 Manchester, England, MEN Arena
31 Manchester, England MEN Arena

NOVEMBER
03 Munich, Germany, Olympiahalle
06 Vienna, Austria, Stadthalle
08 Zurich, Switzerland, Hallenstadion
10 Milan, Italy Datchforum
11 Bologna, Italy, Futur Show
12 Turin, Italy, Palaolimpico

[Rooster]

Green Day aren't coming to Slovenia!!!


There is a God!

[dff_punk]

They aren't coming to Slovakia either. Just like Offspring.

[Rooster]

They aren't coming to Slovakia either. Just like Offspring.

Well, that's a bitch. Not about Green Day, about The Offspring.

But on the other hand, you have to come to Sziget to seee The Offspring then, and we'll get drunk there :D

Anyway, the latest Greed Day stuff doesn't impress me. It's ok when a band progresses, but in this case i don't like the direction they're taking... I didn't like AI either.

[RonWelty]

I think I will see them in Lisbon just to have the right to criticize them

[RageAndLov]

Fuck yeah! Green Day will come to Norway!! I am so there!

[jacknife737]

Ok, i'm not really angry at this (since i could just as easily go to the Ottawa show), i just find it incredibly perplexing. Part of the band's touring schedule goes like this

7/16 - Hamilton, ONT - Copps Coliseum
7/17 - Ottawa, ONT - Scotiabank
7/18 - Montreal, QUE - Bell Centre

They're literally driving through Toronto, skipping it, to go play Ottawa, It just doesn't make any goddamn sense. Maybe the band intends on playing a Toronto show before the North America Tour starts? Or maybe they just intend to play it on the second set of the North American tour, after they play Europe in the fall.

[Jesus]

Could be that they have some pre tour show there (like they have 2 in Berlin now), or maybe it's for the second leg of the N-American tour.

Or maybe there wasn't any relevant venue free around that time. Or maybe they just don't like Toronto :p

Nice to see them playing the second biggest cities in both the Netherlands and Belgium though and not the biggest ones (Amsterdam and Brussels). Probably has to do with the capacity of the venues. For instance Brussels doesn't have a venue in the 15 000 to 20 000 capacity range. I'm not complaining though, since Antwerp is my home. But in distance it's quite weird since it's so close to the Dutch gig, it's only like an hour or so away.

[jacknife737]

Yeah, i think they're probably playing a 'pre tour' gig here. The did the same thing during the American Idiot cycle; i got to see them play a small club the week of its release, one of the best shows of my life.

[jacknife737]

There was a special radio interview with Green Day where they played a bunch of new songs. There will probably be higher quality rips tomorrow, and there will be a full album stream on the 8th, but here you go anyways; http://www.savefile.com/projects/808763059

Here are five of them: East Jesus Nowhere, 21 Guns, American Eulogy, Before the Lobotomy, and Restless Heart Syndrome. I also included a new B-Side, Hearts Collide. They also played the album version of the title track; noticeable differences from the leaked demo version are lyrically, the piano is gone, and a few guitar bits have been changed.

I'm not going to comment too much on the tracks, since i've really haven't had enough time to take them in properly. From first impressions, 21 Guns surprised me the most, especially the vocals. My favorite of the bunch was American Eulogy; it hit me like a punch to the jaw.

I do however, adore the b-side; it's nothing new, or groundbreaking. But it is a brilliant pop-song, with this almost 50s/60s vibe to hit, kind of like the Foxboro Hot Tubs.

[0r4ng3]

I just saw the video for Know Your Enemy (yeah I know I'm late to the party but I had internets issues). It's pretty good. There's not much else I can say about it. But I am looking forward to the new album.

[SuperKnux]

There was a special radio interview with Green Day where they played a bunch of new songs. There will probably be higher quality rips tomorrow, and there will be a full album stream on the 8th, but here you go anyways; http://www.savefile.com/projects/808763059

Here are five of them: East Jesus Nowhere, 21 Guns, American Eulogy, Before the Lobotomy, and Restless Heart Syndrome. I also included a new B-Side, Hearts Collide. They also played the album version of the title track; noticeable differences from the leaked demo version are lyrically, the piano is gone, and a few guitar bits have been changed.

I'm not going to comment too much on the tracks, since i've really haven't had enough time to take them in properly. From first impressions, 21 Guns surprised me the most, especially the vocals. My favorite of the bunch was American Eulogy; it hit me like a punch to the jaw.

I do however, adore the b-side; it's nothing new, or groundbreaking. But it is a brilliant pop-song, with this almost 50s/60s vibe to hit, kind of like the Foxboro Hot Tubs.

Thank you Jacknife! I was looking for "Hearts Collide" the other day, but had no luck. Either Warner is cracking down hard on the torrents or people just aren't interested in these cause I couldn't find any torrent in both mininova or pirate bay.

[Quagmire]

Ok, i'm not really angry at this (since i could just as easily go to the Ottawa show), i just find it incredibly perplexing. Part of the band's touring schedule goes like this

7/16 - Hamilton, ONT - Copps Coliseum
7/17 - Ottawa, ONT - Scotiabank
7/18 - Montreal, QUE - Bell Centre

They're literally driving through Toronto, skipping it, to go play Ottawa, It just doesn't make any goddamn sense. Maybe the band intends on playing a Toronto show before the North America Tour starts? Or maybe they just intend to play it on the second set of the North American tour, after they play Europe in the fall.

I fucking love it since hardly anyone ever comes to play here since Toronto is 5 times the size and only about 45 minutes away. I'm just speculating but I'm guessing the band got a sweeter deal from Copps than what they would have had with the ACC. Any idea when these shows go on sale?

[Jesus]

There was a special radio interview with Green Day where they played a bunch of new songs. There will probably be higher quality rips tomorrow, and there will be a full album stream on the 8th, but here you go anyways; http://www.savefile.com/projects/808763059

Here are five of them: East Jesus Nowhere, 21 Guns, American Eulogy, Before the Lobotomy, and Restless Heart Syndrome. I also included a new B-Side, Hearts Collide. They also played the album version of the title track; noticeable differences from the leaked demo version are lyrically, the piano is gone, and a few guitar bits have been changed.

I'm not going to comment too much on the tracks, since i've really haven't had enough time to take them in properly. From first impressions, 21 Guns surprised me the most, especially the vocals. My favorite of the bunch was American Eulogy; it hit me like a punch to the jaw.

I do however, adore the b-side; it's nothing new, or groundbreaking. But it is a brilliant pop-song, with this almost 50s/60s vibe to hit, kind of like the Foxboro Hot Tubs.

Thanks! Couldn't find the full version of Hearts Collide. greendayauthority.com also has the songs online (including 21st Century Breakdown title track) apart from Hearts Collide.

Don't have much time to listen to them right now, but indeed American Eulogy sounds awesome. Immediately had that need to listen to it again feeling after hearing it (kinda like with the KROQ live performance of YGGFK). First part sounds like classic green day adapted to the 21st century, and the second part sounds like Ramones Green Day this = win^infinity.

[dff_punk]

I also didn't have that much time yet to listen to the songs, but I predict Before The Lobotomy as a single.

[Count Orlok]

I really like East Jesus Nowhere!
Good rhythm,relatively aggressive sound, a really rocking new Green Day song:)

[RonWelty]

Green Day's Know You enemy isn't the most played in KROQ... I think this is a clear sign that they will have a pan on this album.

[Alleviate]

good news for Offspring's army.Offspring has an army? I'm sorry, I love The Offspring, but I don't think that anyone outside of the most loyal of supporters even knew that they had an album come out last year. First time since Smash, that the band hasn't embarked on a proper world tour to support an album, must say something.

Anyway.... New Green Day is awesome. East Jesus Nowehere and 21 Guns being the standout tracks for me. I can't believe it looks like they might've even topped the last effort.

[RonWelty]

Offspring has an army? I'm sorry, I love The Offspring, but I don't think that anyone outside of the most loyal of supporters even knew that they had an album come out last year. First time since Smash, that the band hasn't embarked on a proper world tour to support an album, must say something.

Anyway.... New Green Day is awesome. East Jesus Nowehere and 21 Guns being the standout tracks for me. I can't believe it looks like they might've even topped the last effort.
I want to be a better person so I will respect your opinion. Old RonWelty would say: SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD!

[RageAndLov]

Today came my ticket for the Green Day show in Norway in my mail box :D

[SuperKnux]

So like has anybody in internetland ripped the audio from this stream? http://www.wmuk-apache.co.uk/greenday/player.swf

I know it's not a 320 bit rate, but fuck.. it'll do the time being. I'm hoping it will be up for download before 11am today (it's 2:13am right now), and I need to get up to finish some paintings for my class. It'd be nice to have this in my Zune so I can listen to it for the day.

Here's hopeing!

EDIT: Well, I have the WebRIP of it thanks to Demonoid. But I'm also downloading the FLAC one as we speak, so nevermind.

[ThunderPX]

Holy shit, this is way better than American Idiot.

[Free?]

http://www.mininova.org/tor/2571585

[RonWelty]

This isn't punk-rock. Not that I hate it, but this band isn't on Punk-Rock genre nowadays.

I can't say if I hate it or if I am positively surprised... It's an odd sonority.

But one thing I know is that production and so is very good. Learn with them, Dexter.

EDIT: I'm embarred to say but I like the concept of this album. RAFRAG(as an album) looks like a joke compared to this album. It seems like a rock Musical.

[dff_punk]

I gotta say, after first listen, I really like this album and along with Coaster by NOFX it might be the best thing released this year so far. ¡Viva la Gloria! and Murder City are instant favorites. ¿Viva la Gloria? (Little Girl) sounds like something that could have been on Warning. Ironically, the most boring song off the album is the first single. Haha.

[Stylie]

Today came my ticket for the Green Day show in Norway in my mail box :D

They're coming to us this summer? Hm, nice. Never really cared about Green Day, but concerts could be cool. But the show's sold out, maybe?

And DAMN!! I saw that Social Distortion's gonna come to Norway this year, but you must be f**ing 18 years to come in. :(

[Free?]

This isn't punk-rock. Not that I hate it, but this band isn't on Punk-Rock genre nowadays.

I can't say if I hate it or if I am positively surprised... It's an odd sonority.

But one thing I know is that production and so is very good. Learn with them, Dexter.

EDIT: I'm embarred to say but I like the concept of this album. RAFRAG(as an album) looks like a joke compared to this album. It seems like a rock Musical.

Delete the edit, before it became something you'll regret about! ;]
RAFRAG has a very strong concept without using any additional tricks like half of songs sounding 60's-inspired and 3/4 of the album have a somewhat rock-opera vibe (you gotta agree that those two are huge part of 21cbd-concept).

I've reached 21 Guns, and I smell the hit, the next boulevard+september ends is right here (though I think the chorus should've continued the melancholic mood of the verses if you know what I mean).

I so agree that the first single is the most boring song, haha.

There was a daughter-song of Misery(edit here) - Peacemaker, I liked the wicked diabolic sound of Christian's Inferno, East Jesus has SIMU-vibe, an instant favorite was Restless Heart Syndrome (I can't remember it at all tho, I need to listen again to remember %)).
Overall, it's an American Idiot-jr. It has some old-sounding songs and some new experiments, but they are in absolute minority.

[RonWelty]

Delete the edit, before it became something you'll regret about! ;]
RAFRAG has a very strong concept without using any additional tricks like half of songs sounding 60's-inspired and 3/4 of the album have a somewhat rock-opera vibe (you gotta agree that those two are huge part of 21cbd-concept).

I've reached 21 Guns, and I smell the hit, the next boulevard+september ends is right here (though I think the chorus should've continued the melancholic mood of the verses if you know what I mean).

I so agree that the first single is the most boring song, haha.

There was a daughter-song of Misery(edit here) - Peacemaker, I liked the wicked diabolic sound of Christian's Inferno, East Jesus has SIMU-vibe, an instant favorite was Restless Heart Syndrome (I can't remember it at all tho, I need to listen again to remember %)).
Overall, it's an American Idiot-jr. It has some old-sounding songs and some new experiments, but they are in absolute minority.

Sadly It's true. Green Day are much more ambitious than The Offspring. We all love the cooler apathy and fuckthepress acting by our precious band, but they loose doing that.

[Free?]

Sadly It's true. Green Day are much more ambitious than The Offspring. We all love the cooler apathy and fuckthepress acting by our precious band, but they loose doing that.

How band presents itself to public has little to do with album concept :P.
RAFRAG's concept just doesn't scream out loud to be noticed.

[dff_punk]

RonWelty, you always put things that way like there has always been some "contest" or "war" between the two bands. There is no such thing imho.

[RonWelty]

RonWelty, you always put things that way like there has always been some "contest" or "war" between the two bands. There is no such thing imho.

well, imho that's what I believe to be true.

[findout5]

Ron's right (as usual). Green Day have been more ambitious in their previous efforts than The Offspring (Warning Vs. CO1, AI VS. Splinter)...but The Offspring are way better still :p
Although Green Day didn't really innovate a lot on the new record which is a little AI pt.2 (http://www.wmuk-apache.co.uk/greenday/player.swf).

[Free?]

Somebody please tell me what song "Restless Heart Syndrome" so fucking much reminds me of. It's killing me. Probably something from Muse, maybe not, gaaah!

EDIT: I think I got it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYyvmp_Mvb8&feature=related


On the side note: it looks like it's my album's favorite, though I already hate the few seconds of piano intro!

[RonWelty]

Somebody please tell me what song "Restless Heart Syndrome" so fucking much reminds me of. It's killing me. Probably something from Muse, maybe not, gaaah!

On the side note: it looks like it's my album's favorite, though I already hate the few seconds of piano intro!

I noticed the same. There is even some tune that reminds me of SIMU. It seems to me that they tried to shoot in every direction of rock: hard-rock, rock, arena rock, american rock, arabic acoustic rock, acoustic rock, pop-rock, punk-rock. You can see something from all these(and some others) genres in this new album.

That and PEACEMAKER are mine album's favourites. I don't like their punk/rock songs.

[RonWelty]

Ron's right (as usual). Green Day have been more ambitious in their previous efforts than The Offspring (Warning Vs. CO1, AI VS. Splinter)...but The Offspring are way better still :p
Although Green Day didn't really innovate a lot on the new record which is a little AI pt.2 (http://www.wmuk-apache.co.uk/greenday/player.swf).

it's like American idiot but it's even less a punk-rock band. It will be adapted to Broadway musical, no doubt. It has the perfect structure, much better than AI's. But I don't know how will they play some of this album songs live without losing the comprehensive engagement given by the album version.

What I think really stands out from this album is how clearer and alive the sound seems, not that zombie's sound from Splinter and RAFRAG. Kudos mr. producer!

[Free?]

It seems that you'll never stop to surprise me, RW. Zombie's sound of RAFRAG? SIMU-vibe in Restless Heart Syndrome? And most of all how you unexpectedly paying Green Day some respect after criticizing it so much.

21cbd is too motherfucking epic, that's what I don't like about it. Also it seems to become boring and repetitive closer to the end with 18 songs that have lots in common with AI.

[RonWelty]

It seems that you'll never stop to surprise me, RW. Zombie's sound of RAFRAG? SIMU-vibe in Restless Heart Syndrome? And most of all how you unexpectedly paying Green Day some respect after criticizing it so much.

21cbd is too motherfucking epic, that's what I don't like about it. Also it seems to become boring and repetitive closer to the end with 18 songs that have lots in common with AI.

a) I said that there was a tune that has the same vibe, not that one.
b) I hate the band as persons. I hate GD's work in general. But they were ambitious with this album and it feel like it's a masterpiece. Not that I like it a lot, but I have to recognize some value.
c) Studio's sound of Offspring in the past years suck. It seems too much overproduced in the worst way, like they tried to compress all the sound, don't know how to express this feeling well.
d) I am still an Offspring soldier. But I'm not dumb or blind or have hearing problems.

[Rooster]

Downloaded the album just for the sake of hearing it.

Do not like. Seriously, like Free? said, it's waaaay too fucking epic. Or at least they try too hard to sound epic. It doesn't work, at least for me.

I like epic sounding songs (Half-Truism), but this... The fact that people are rather buying albums like this than albums like RAFRAG makes me sad.

I'm sorry if i offended anybody with this post, but this is just what i think. Everybody has his own taste for music, but i still don't see what's so special about Green Day.

[Free?]

Ron, I kinda see all your points, I don't agree with some of them, but yeah, it's clearer now.


Another thing about 21cbd. I find myself already skipping songs. Okay, some of us might have skipped Kristy and Fix You on RAFRAG sometimes, but to me once any RAFRAG song starts off, it hooks me up, I don't feel any discomfort. I can even say the same (relatively) about American Idiot. But not about 21cbd. The sound is too repetitive.

[RonWelty]

Ron, I kinda see all your points, I don't agree with some of them, but yeah, it's clearer now.


Another thing about 21cbd. I find myself already skipping songs. Okay, some of us might have skipped Kristy and Fix You on RAFRAG sometimes, but to me once any RAFRAG song starts off, it hooks me up, I don't feel any discomfort. I can even say the same (relatively) about American Idiot. But not about 21cbd. The sound is too repetitive.

well, you got my point! I skip most of the songs. What I said before is that the concept of the album, the drive that led to the album, the recording quality and artistic direction is much better than RAFRAG's: But hey?! It's green day we're talking here. They just try to be bigger than they are. They don't have enough talent for that.
Nobody will fuck Dexter Holland's genious skill of rip off every band in the world making the song even better.

[SuperKnux]

I like the second Act of the album the most. It would have been cool if it continued on to the last Act. But still a solid release. I do like AI better, but 21CB is pretty damn snazzy, and I'm cool with that.

[jacknife737]

Well, i could have listened to this last night, but my internet was being really, really shitty.

Can't judge this too much, since i've only had a couple listens to it so far; but it's pretty damn good.

The big songs for me right now, are Peacemaker (love the lyrics for this one), Last Night on Earth, American Eulogy, Static Age, Christians Inferno and Murder City.

Christian's Inferno turned out a lot differently then i would have thought, based off the live versions that I had heard before. The verses sound like something that could have been on the Network's album, but it's really, really cool. American Eulogy and Murder City are straight up punx uppage, and that's great.

My only complaint so far, is that it's too long. A lot of my favorite albums clock in at just over 30min, but there really isn't a song on this album that I actively dislike.

If i had to compare it to any of the band's past work, i'd say it would be the bastard child of Warning and American Idiot. Anyways, i'll give it a couple more listens, and see if i have anything else to say.

Oh, and cheers for posting the mininova link, Free?

[IamSam]

I'm not gonna lie. I'm slightly impressed that I like it.

And was that link a good rip of a CD or the live feed? If it was a CD rip can someone upload it elsewhere? The link is down and I don't have torrent access...

[dff_punk]

Just thought of this: 21 Guns = If youre gooing to Saan Fraanciscoo...

[cool 2 hate 681]

can someone upload it elsewhere? The link is down and I don't have torrent access...

here you go:)

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2cykgtmyuj4

[IamSam]

here you go:)

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2cykgtmyuj4

You're awesome. If I ever meet you in person I owe you a drink. You're always on top of the game!

[IamSam]

So I listened to the entire thing and I'm bored of it already. Bring me Billy Talent III please.

[RonWelty]

East Jesus Nowhere reminds me of Bad Religion, Offspring and lenny krevitz...

[0r4ng3]

Bring me Billy Talent III please.
I'm surprised that hasn't leaked yet. Oh well, at least the Devil On My Shoulder single comes out in like two weeks.

[effreyj]

The album is streaming on VH1's website:

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/green_day/2430212/album.jhtml?popThis=playIt()&source=mp_carousel

I like it a lot better than American Idiot. I like Viva La Gloria, Murder City, and Peacemaker a lot. East Jesus Nowhere sounds like it could be an Offspring song.

[RonWelty]

The album is streaming on VH1's website:

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/green_day/2430212/album.jhtml?popThis=playIt()&source=mp_carousel

I like it a lot better than American Idiot. I like Viva La Gloria, Murder City, and Peacemaker a lot. East Jesus Nowhere sounds like it could be an Offspring song.

I think that song is a rip off from SIMU at some parts

[ThunderPX]

Okay, I'm listening through this again, and here's my personal song-by-song breakdown:

Act 1:

Song of the Century: Alright, nice intro. Does a good job of setting up the album, even if it is a bit cheesy.
21st Century Breakdown: After the annoyingly U2-like intro, it turns into typical Green Day fare. The faster part that comes in about halfway into the song makes the whole thing a bit overlong, though.
Know Your Enemy: Despite the repititiveness, this is a pretty catchy song.
¡Viva La Gloria!: An okay ballad. It doesn't especially stand out, but it's not horrible.
Before the Lobotomy: This is interesting; it seems to follow all the usual Green Day song formula rules, but something about it's different. Cool.
Christian's Inferno: This song is pretty punk, and the band puts enough energy into their performance to bring the point home. I like the bass sound in the verses.
Last Night on Earth: I was trying to figure out why exactly I like this song; then I realised, it's pretty much a Foo Fighters ballad. The piano makes it sound like something off ESPG. Regardless, it has kind of a dreamy, summery sound, so it doesn't sound jarring on a Green Day album.

Act 2:

East Jesus Nowhere: The second part of the album opens with someone twiddling an old radio, keeping in with the album intro. Then we get an Offspring-esque hard rock riff. For a bit, it seems like this will be the most boring song yet, but then we get treated to a very Bad Religion-like vocal harmony in the chorus, followed by a britpop-ish verse that leads back into the chorus. Eventually, we get a wild-west-like guitar part near the end. In short, after a slow start, the song showcases a bunch of different influences and the result is pretty cool. (But if you must compare it to SIMU, then just see it as Green Day's response to Rise and Fall... :P)
Peacemaker: More radio twiddling, some violin stuff, and a fast song. The acoustic guitar makes it sound pretty Spanish by itself, but then we get the vocals which just add to that idea. 'Ey 'ey 'ey!
Last of the American Girls: Billie Joe wants us to know that he can rewrite songs off Dookie and Nimrod as many times as he damn well wants. And that it makes for decent filler.
Murder City: Crap, now I feel bad for saying that about the above song because it applies even more here. Except this is the fast part.
¿Viva La Gloria? (Little Girl): I was not previously aware that Serj Tankian was part of Green Day, but after demonstrating this fact, we get a pretty cool bouncy song where we yet again find ourselves in the wild west. It's oddly addictive. Also, does that guitar lead in the bridge remind anyone else of something?
Restless Heart Syndrome: The piano is back in full force. We get strings too... another ballad song. On the surface it might be too similar to the other piano songs on the album, but something about it seperates it and makes it a good song in its own right. No, it's not anywhere near punk. Who cares? Did you stick a penny in the door? I swear, if I find a penny, I'm taking you down. I'm watching you. Anyway, near the end it gets epic with the distortion, and as I see we're 47 minutes into the album, I realise that it could've ended here and I'd be happy. But since Green Day is almost as good as Metallica and the Red Hot Chili Peppers at making their albums really damn long, we're in for another act.

Act 3:

Horseshoes and Handgrenades: Again, a very Offspring-ish main riff. Then it sounds like Incubus for like two seconds and then back to Offspring. On the whole, this song isn't very exciting, and its unfortunate placement after a pretty epic song just makes that worse- it's like when an album has this really awesome ending, but then the entire moment is ruined because the bonus tracks start up. Ugh.
The Static Age: More radio sounds. Then a drumbeat, soon joined by guitar and vocals; and suddenly Billie Joe's description of the album as "power pop" makes perfect sense. I can't really describe it any more specifically, but if you're anything like me, "power pop" will put the right image in your head. But since I'm on the Offspring forums, this probably isn't the case.
21 Guns: This song opens with some reverse-echoey chords that sound like something off RHCP's By The Way, which I don't mind at all. But then we get acoustic guitar, supported by piano, bass and drums. Like with the last ballad, it briefly seems like this is going to be a somewhat redundant song, but then we get one hell of a kickass chorus. If there's one thing Green Day has proved with this album it's that even though they're making pop ballads, they're really damn good at it. It's a shame the verses use a pretty overused chord progression.
American Eulogy: Starts off with a little repeat of the intro song. I'm not sure if it's actually different. But then we get a kickass punk song. It starts very suddenly and the intro is a little odd- the way it kicks in is almost like a hidden track does. Then there's another pretentious "second part" because, I guess, they needed to do that at least once more before the album's end. This one isn't very intrusive though, plus we get Mike Dirnt lead vocals, so it's all good.
See the Light: Now we get a repeat of the title track's intro, except now it's even more like U2. Then we get a similarly structured song, and it's not all that special, so it's a slightly disappointing ending.

[Quagmire]

East Jesus Nowhere is the standout to me. It's an absolutely indelible chorus. I don't think I've gone more than 15 minutes in the last few days without it popping into my head.

I don't get the Stuff Is Messed Up comparisons though other than the fact that they are both the best tracks on their respective albums.

[Outerspaceman21]

yeah, East Jesus Nowhere is actually pretty tight. It redeems Know You Enemy.

[The Search Button]

I don't know how to feel about this album.

If I haven't heard AI, I would not say this was Green Day.

I guess I'll have to give it another chance.

But I was almost Downloading-hearing-deleting this thing.

Almost.

[Alleviate]

I actually think Murder City is the best song on this album. Sure it's been done before, but it's just got that real Green Day fast, catchy vibe. Plus I think it's the only actual song on the album that goes for less than 3 minutes.

21 Guns is awesome, but something tells me we'll be hearing a lot of it. Maybe a bit too much if it follows the path of Boulevard of broken dreams.

[dff_punk]

21 Guns is awesome, but something tells me we'll be hearing a lot of it. Maybe a bit too much if it follows the path of Boulevard of broken dreams.

Exactly, that song was literally composed for the radio and stuff. I like it pretty much right now, but it will be overplayed soon, imho.

And nice review, ThunderPX!

[0r4ng3]

I actually think Murder City is the best song on this album. Sure it's been done before, but it's just got that real Green Day fast, catchy vibe.
I don't know about "best", but it's definitely my favorite off the new album.

[Outerspaceman21]

From what I've heard, ACT II is what I might like best. The first half is really power pop driven and the second is mostly balleds. Green Day is best when they do fast tempo songs. I don't like typical balled, anyway.

[Free?]

My list is: Restless Heart Syndrome, Peacemaker, 21 Guns, Christian's Inferno, East Jesus Nowhere, ?Viva La Gloria?, Before The Lobotomy. I tend to skip often the rest, it bores me, too repetitive AI-chewing gum.

[Jesus]

As a next single East Jesus Nowhere or Viva La Gloria seem to me to be the best choices. Those tracks have the most immediate catchy/pop-ish feeling to it imo. For a softer song release Restless Heart Syndrome would make more sense than 21 Guns too imo.

Today I played the Static Age, Christian's Inferno and Horseshoes and Handgrenades the most according to my playlist (ironically songs which I skipped at first). Too early to write a review, damn exams.

[RageAndLov]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/rageandlov/greenday4.jpg

[Free?]

Priceless .

[Jakebert]

Downloaded it 3 days ago and have listened to it a few times since.

Overall, it's stronger than AI in terms of individual songs. There are a lot of songs on here that I really like. But as a whole, it's a generally weak album. It's inconsistent and doesn't flow well at all, and almost seems like they just threw a bunch of random songs together and then called it a concept album. Which is different than AI, because despite all it's flaws, AI did actually feel like a solid unit. 21st Century Breakdown does not.

But, like I said, some of the individual songs are great. I really love "Peacemaker" and think it's the best song they've done since Warning was released. "Before the Lobotomy" and "Viva la Gloria!" are up there as well.

But a few songs on it honestly just feel like shitty b-sides. "Christian's Inferno", for example, sounds like something that would have been left off of other Green Day albums. And Horseshoes and Handgernades feels the same way.

Lyric-wise, it just seems like AI part 2, which I could do without.

[TakesMeNowhere28]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/rageandlov/greenday4.jpg

Yikes!!!!!

[IamSam]

The Rhapsody ad is actually kinda cool with all of it's little innuendo into other Green Day albums.

[SuperKnux]

So is anybody going to upload all the iTunes B-sides. Can't seem to find the torrent of those yet.

[cool 2 hate 681]

So is anybody going to upload all the iTunes B-sides. Can't seem to find the torrent of those yet.

here you go :)

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mwvmjjizodm

[SuperKnux]

..and this is why you rock, sir. Much appreciated. *bows*

[-Nemesis-]

As a next single East Jesus Nowhere or Viva La Gloria seem to me to be the best choices. Those tracks have the most immediate catchy/pop-ish feeling to it imo. For a softer song release Restless Heart Syndrome would make more sense than 21 Guns too imo.

Today I played the Static Age, Christian's Inferno and Horseshoes and Handgrenades the most according to my playlist (ironically songs which I skipped at first). Too early to write a review, damn exams.


Well actually I think that the next single will be 21 Guns, as it was written on the CD as I bought it... It said "Including Know Your Enemy and 21 Guns"
I guess that's an easy listening song that can be played on any radio...
I would have prefered East Jesus Nowhere though...

[dff_punk]

I said it already, 21 Guns is straight-to-radio material. We will be hearing a lot of it, I am almost certain on that.

[findout5]

I don't really like that chorus, but all the other parts are great on that song.

[TakesMeNowhere28]

Well actually I think that the next single will be 21 Guns, as it was written on the CD as I bought it... It said "Including Know Your Enemy and 21 Guns"
I guess that's an easy listening song that can be played on any radio...
I would have prefered East Jesus Nowhere though...

Yeah, I imagine the next single will be 21 Guns since that was the second song they did on SNL. Green Day has a couple of TV appearances the next 2 days. They'll be on the Colbert Report tomorrow and Letterman on Friday.

[Olivia Newtron Bomb]

Why are they so angry, yet well groomed at the same time.

Poseurs

[Outerspaceman21]

Wrong thread

[The Search Button]

Why are they so angry, yet well groomed at the same time.

Poseurs

Best worst first post evah!!!1!!

[IamSam]

Why are they so angry, yet well groomed at the same time.

Poseurs

Yes. Poseurs.

http://www.aversion.com/bands/antiflag/images/antiflag.jpg

[TakesMeNowhere28]

Green Day pulled a bit of a surprise on their Letterman appearance. I was expecting to hear them play Know Your Enemy or 21 Guns, but they played East Jesus Nowhere instead.

On a side note, I know Jason White isn't an official member of the band, but I think he should get some recognition because he seems to do more work on guitar than Billie Joe. Jason handles most of the solos at concerts and starts many of the songs himself.

[Outerspaceman21]

On a side note, I know Jason White isn't an official member of the band, but I think he should get some recognition because he seems to do more work on guitar than Billie Joe. Jason handles most of the solos at concerts and starts many of the songs himself.

Seriously, Billie Joe hardly has to do anything any more. He's pretty much a member of the band now.

[medi01]

On a side note, I know Jason White isn't an official member of the band, but I think he should get some recognition because he seems to do more work on guitar than Billie Joe. Jason handles most of the solos at concerts and starts many of the songs himself.

i think thats true for their live stuff, but im fairly sure billie must write and record all of it

[jacknife737]

White isn't involved with the writing process, at all.

For a non-member he still receives a fair amount of recognition; i mean, he was in one of their music videos.

[mrs_hollandova]

Yes. Poseurs.

http://www.aversion.com/bands/antiflag/images/antiflag.jpg

I thought they are 3 :eek: Hmm, they are ugly

[Outerspaceman21]

I thought they are 3 :eek: Hmm, they are ugly

Thats Anti-Flag

[mrs_hollandova]

Thats Anti-Flag

aha :D hmm, black clothes, ugly men... all the same :rolleyes: Offspring :o is Offspring!!!

[Static_Martyr]

Apologies in advance for anyone who gets pissed by this posting, as I know there's a lot of Green Day hate floating around here....not stirring the pot or anything, just...well, I fuckin' LOVE me some Green Day~

Ah, well, maybe it's just because I'm Gay For Green Day in a HUGE way, but I love this album. I love every song off of it in its own way. The only problem I have with any of it is that there is a lot of artificial song extention; example, Static Age. The chorus repeats something like 5 or 6 times on the outro. The last time I heard a song repeat the chorus that many times was Fall Out Boy's remix of Sugar, We're Going Down. My BIGGEST pet peeve in music by far is shit that repeats too much.

But on a lighter note....even Know Your Enemy turned me off at first. I heard it and thought, "Oh, shit, this is gonna be Green Day's Afterwords, this is gonna be their "we're officially shitty pop now" album. But then I got the album, forced myself to listen to it with an open mind, and I realized, it's actually pretty damn good. If you don't go in with any expectations of what it's "supposed" to be, and just try to enjoy it for what it actually IS (which is a damn fine pop album), then I don't think it's too hard to see why this album is at least better than most contemporary pop albums, if not pretty damn good in its own right. Know Your Enemy comes across as too long and repetitive when you listen to it by itself....but if you listen to it as the second song on 21CBD, it suddenly just...I dunno, "fits." I can't not like it now, somehow.

A lot of my friends don't care for it because of the reasons mentioned here, such that it's not really punk rock, or it's too epic, but to me that's always been the charm of Green Day. When I want something more hardcore, I turn to like Bad Religion; when I want some catchy pop/punk/rock, I go to Green Day, and they've never disappointed me in that respect. This album is no different :) Also, I'd rather Green Day try to do something different and maybe fail (which I don't think they did here, but given that many seem to think just that), than to just rehash the same tired hardcore or punk sounds that have been floating around the "punk" scene in the past 5-10 years or so. That gives their albums this little bit of soul that most "ambitious" albums lack, like, at least I know they're trying to be original. Ya know?

P.S. I love to turn off all the lights and sit alone in my room, playing Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne with the sound turned all the way down, with this album blaring instead. It just fits the atmosphere....so well....

P.P.S.

On a side note, I know Jason White isn't an official member of the band, but I think he should get some recognition because he seems to do more work on guitar than Billie Joe. Jason handles most of the solos at concerts and starts many of the songs himself.

From what I can tell, Jason White seems to be Green Day's version of Brian Baker, and Billie Joe is like their Brett Gurewitz. And by that of course I mean, Billie Joe writes and records on the albums, whereas Jason White plays the extra stuff live so Billie can play frontman a little more.

[TakesMeNowhere28]

White isn't involved with the writing process, at all.

For a non-member he still receives a fair amount of recognition; i mean, he was in one of their music videos.

He's in a couple actually. It's hard to spot him because he was much younger, but he made a brief appearance in the "When I Come Around" video. He's the guy that's making out with a chick.

[RageAndLov]

I haven't listened to the album before today, even though I've had it some days.
I liked it, it is a good album. 21CB goes in the same lines as AI but I don't think it is as good as American Idiot, but not very far away from it.
This album is supposed to be a concept album/rock opera, but I can't really see that. If I wouldn't be told that it was supposed to be a concept album and Christian and Gloria weren't mentioned several times, I would not know it was supposed to be one. The lyrics are far too vague, and I have seen on the net that many others share this feeling.
Musicially 21CB is perhaps the most poppiest album yet by Green Day, but that doesn't make the album less greater. It is a great rock album with some pop elements here and there.
I'd say 8.5/10.

[Cbonham5]

Green Day pulled a bit of a surprise on their Letterman appearance. I was expecting to hear them play Know Your Enemy or 21 Guns, but they played East Jesus Nowhere instead.

On a side note, I know Jason White isn't an official member of the band, but I think he should get some recognition because he seems to do more work on guitar than Billie Joe. Jason handles most of the solos at concerts and starts many of the songs himself.

LOL, I DVR'd the Letterman appearance and was talking to my friend before I watched about how i would riot if it was Know Your Enemy, but then I thought, "Hey, Letterman could pulll some strings and get them to play something else," and what do ya know, they one of my favorite songs on the record (who am I kidding, I love the whole thing :D )

[Static_Martyr]

This album is supposed to be a concept album/rock opera, but I can't really see that. If I wouldn't be told that it was supposed to be a concept album and Christian and Gloria weren't mentioned several times, I would not know it was supposed to be one. The lyrics are far too vague, and I have seen on the net that many others share this feeling.

From what I understand, it's supposed to be about a guy named Christian (who was raised conservative --- "born into Nixon, I was raised in Hell....praise liberty, the freedom to obey," etc.), and a girl named Gloria who's one of those extreme liberal-type conspiracy theorists (see: any line from Last of the American Girls, but also "you've found a home in all your scars and ammunition" from "Viva La Gloria" seems to hint at a person who isolates themselves from society because they've been hurt by it or lost faith in it). The two of them get to know each other under some circumstances, and find out that the things they've been taught about each other by the media and their families/communities are all pretty much bullshit, and so they chuck the whole concept and start looking for the real truth in reality instead of relying on the media and mass perception to dole it out to them.

If that is indeed correct (and I'm not sure it is, but it sounds like it could be), then I think it's a simple but great approach to a great concept. My band was working on something to that effect (not a concept album, but a song, anyway), and I really appreciate the message it sends. That's why I thought more "punx" kids would be into it, because of that message, but apparently it's still too poppy, and there are a lot of people who are still a little wary about pop.

P.S. Interestingly, this album isn't that much poppier than their earlier stuff; I'd say it's about 50% AI and 50% Nimrod, myself, because it's part experimental and part aggressive politico-pop-rock. Can't speak for anyone else, but my problem with the album was not its poppiness or its variation from their earlier material (I actually like that a lot~), but the repeaty-ness; the recycling of choruses in songs like "Know Your Enemy" and "Murder City" to artificially extend the song. It's like they deliberately aimed to make every song on the album go past 3 minutes, whether or not it could actually be done. I figured that would bother people more than the poppiness. Shows what I know :o

[RageAndLov]

I don't mind the sound of this album, even if it is poppier. I like it!
I'm kind of tired of the same song formula Green Day always uses: Verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorusx2
They've done that in twenty years, and their songs become very predictable when only doing that.

[Static_Martyr]

Yeah, now that you mention it, I started noticing a sort of repeating song pattern ever since I got ahold of Kerplunk a couple of years ago....0.0

And on a side note, RageAndLov, I just want to say that I absolutely adore your avatar :D

[RageAndLov]

And on a side note, RageAndLov, I just want to say that I absolutely adore your avatar :D

Thank you :D You're the first one that actually likes it, all the others hate it and call it gay.

[coke_a_holic]

I'm going to do it. I'm going to listen to the entire cd from front to back and I'll review it.

Keep in mind, the last time I could stomach Green Day was 2005. I literally have not listened to them in 4 years.

Here we go.

EDIT: Assuming I didn't delete it...

[IamSam]

This is going to be fun!

[Static_Martyr]

Thank you You're the first one that actually likes it, all the others hate it and call it gay.

Well, um, THEY'RE gay!

But seriously, that is one of the most adorable animes that I've seen. And I don't even like anime; the closest I've come in the last 5 years or so to actually watching a real asian cartoon is when I played through the entire Persona series (which is awesome, BTW).

[offspringer24]

greenday suck balls

[coke_a_holic]

Okay, here we go.

1. First song; kind of like an attempt to do a jazz/folk throwback track, I guess? Kind of wish the whole album would be like this; it would be nice. I didn't want to skip this track

2. Oh great, the second one sounds like every other Green Day song. It sounds kind of forced; like they asked 'how can we make this song different?" and then they just slapped a new song on the end that sounds nothing like the first half. I like that they included a breakdown in the song. But only because the song is called 21st Century Breakdown. I kind of want to skip this track once the solo comes in.

3. DO U KNW UR NMY? (ole ole) This song just sucks. I really want to skip it after about a minute. Is the chorus and verse identical? Yes. Yes, it is. Oh man, a bridge that sounds like Jesus Of Suburbia? Oh man. Please be over soon. I counted 5 cliches.

4. Man, this next song is hilarious. An attempt at heartfelt piano going directly into... what, Letterbomb? It sounds like Letterbomb. I liked Letterbomb. I don't like this song. Skipskipskip.

5. This one's even funnier holy shit. Wake me up, right guys? Fast foward past the boring. Into... eh, somewhat more boring. Is that offbeat ska? hahahahaha. My god. The chorus sounds really weird. Like, they're trying to be catchy, but it's not working properly. Too many strong beats, not enough weak ones. Clicheclichecliche. Whenever he solos, I wish he wouldn't. Also, the return to the Wake Me Up When September Ends thing sounds so terrible the second time around. Skip.

6. Dude, that is some fuzzy fucking bass. I like that. A lot. Don't fuck this up. (PS: Dear Billie Joe - your vocal melody was done by Agent Orange three decades ago, it's a fairly famous song called Bloodstains. That song wasn't good, either). OH COME ON, YOU FUCKED IT UP THIS IS SO SHITTY ARRGHHHHH!! THAT FUCKING BASS WAS SO COOL, WHAT IS THIS? Oh, cool, bring back that bass. Oh, let it become bad again. Cool. Whatever. Fuck you guys.

7. Oh fuck, that piano is back? That sucks. Make it quick, guys. You're not good at this sort of music. Sorry. Okay, I lasted a minute. Fast forward. I appreciate the effort, but you're just not good at this music, Green Day.

8. Radio dials changing is a cool way to start a song. Directly into a cool sounding guitar? Let's hope this pans out well. This isn't bad, actually. I kinda dig it, even if it's a little repetitive. It's the coolest song yet, and I like it. Now get that fuzzy bass from the 6th song back for THIS song! The end is kinda stupid. Oh well, B+ for keeping it awesome for the majority of the song.

9. What if Gogol Bordello wrote a song for Green Day? This would be it. Gogol Bordello's version would be better. This is still more interesting than almost everything else on the cd. I kinda dig it, even though I would change some stuff.

Okay, that's half. This is torturous. I'll do the rest later tonight, I need a break.

[Free?]

Mike that was awesome! The best part is the #5-6 streak.

[coke_a_holic]

<3 u free

Here we go! Part two!!

10. Bass heavy tracks are better than guitar heavy ones. I'm waiting for a line to start with "She's a rebel, she's a sai-ay-aint," because this album throws so much back to American Idiot. Also, I think I wrote this song. Like, the music for it. About two years ago. When I was 16. Billie Joe is, like, what, 40? Shit. It was okay, I guess.

11. Meh. Throwaway track, it sounds like whichever American Idiot song was like "it's not over until you're underground." Was that also Letterbomb? I don't remember. But it sounds like this. Whatever, I liked that one more.

SIDE NOTE: I really dislike Billie Joe's lyrics. Like, they're really uninteresting. The lyrics actually make the music more boring. Weeeaaaak.

12. Is that a harpsichord? Come the fuck on. That's a motherfucking harpsichord. This track will blow. Just because it has a harpsichord. Oh wow, I was right. Buh. It's like they wrote a song just so they could have a harpsichord in it. I'm unimpressed. The chorus sounds like St. Jimmy. It's like they've literally stolen all of their own ideas. Skip after 3 minutes, I don't care about another minute of the same shit. And if the harpsichord comes back, I might throw my laptop into the wall.

13. Oh, even better the next track is a piano bullshit one. With a fake fucking synthesizer orchestra. COME ON, YOU'RE FUCKING GREEN DAY. You can afford a real orchestra. Oh shit, that is autotune. Did anyone else notice that? "Somebody take this pain away..." more like take this T-Pain away, amirite? Get it? Because he can't actually sing that well and relied on studio techniques to hit a few of those notes. Skip. This song sucks.

14. This song is called Horseshoes and Handgrenades, apparently. Handgrenades? Like the cover of American Idiot? "Hey, guys, why don't we draw more comparisons to our last album?" This song is so garage rocky that I actually totally dig it. This song is something I want to have a chase scene to. Oh, the chorus is kinda weak. Oh well, the verse is cool. Nice work. Tre Cool isn't a very good drummer. Ho hum. I liked this song! Like, legitimately! Wow!

15. That sucks because this next one is shaping up to be terrible. Eh, it's okay. Not terrible. It sounds like old old Green Day again, but mixed with, like, something less interesting. It's kind of funny but mostly just, like, okay. It's whatever, bro. You know? Dude. Please, solo more. The key change was COOL. That was the first time I've been IMPRESSED with Green Day. Too bad the song is still just mediocre, but that key change was really interesting.

16. This song is too melodramatic. It's supposed to be heartfelt, but comes off sounding like a joke. I'm indifferent to its existence. Then comes in the fucking Eye Of The Tiger guitars. And I just can't stop laughing. Oh fuck you, Green Day, back to the heartfelt bullshit? Fuck you. Fastforward.

17. I like how this one brings back the first song off the cd. This is the only hint at cohesion that I can tell from this listen. Oh wait, excluding the fact that every song sounds like every other song. This song is too repetitive, it borrows too much of its melody and that lead guitar sounds too stupid. "hey, let's slow it down here and then let's play the same chords as some part from Jesus Of Suburbia again and call it a day." I like when he screams, though. I feel like Green Day should play screamo. I would actually like them. Oh man let's repeat the same thing a million times. Fastforward. Whatever.

18. I don't even want to listen to this. I finished the album and this song just isn't doing it for me. "I crossed the river, fell into the sea." That doesn't even make sense. Unless by "river" he means "That part of the ocean between here and the sandbar, but only during low tide." What a way to end. It sounds like the other songs. Fast forward. I like the end with the piano and the guitars. This is the only song where I actually like the piano.


This cd was too long and too repetitive, but there are a few songs on it that are legitimately great. Oh well. It should've been a shorter cd. Cut out a few of the throwaway tracks and we'll talk later, Green Day. Also, I know you like pianos, but why don't you save them for the bands who know how to incorporate them properly instead of only having them for the ballads? It's a little bit like a gimmick. Give it up quickly.

[dff_punk]

Lol, great anti-cliche review! I had a laugh, good job.

[IamSam]

Mike: I <3 u. Like for reals. I may have popped a boner to your review...

And oddly enough the three songs you liked are actually the only songs I have check marked on iTunes. GET OUTTA MY HEAD!

[Static_Martyr]

I'm counting off points for your review for 2 reasons:

1) You didn't point out that "Mass Hysteria" sounds suspiciously like "Deadbeat Holiday" from Warning.

2) You didn't point out that "Static Age" has a VERY similar melody to "Church On Sunday," also off of Warning.

Seriously, those were like the first two things I noticed about those songs....although I still like them both. I think of it like The Bottle Rockets when they covered their own song, "Brand New Year," and made it completely different but still kinda the same 0.0

[chicapowerpunk]

i don´t like..........:cool:

[Cock Joke]

I never really gave my take on the album, so here's a quickie. (LOL "quickie")

It is lyrically the most powerful album they have ever put out. It does not top American Idiot in terms of variety or anything like that. This is one loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong-ass-motherfuckin' album!!! Make sure you got some fuckin' crazy time on your hands before listening to this one! The songs will run together on this bitch, and you MAY get bored.

Dookie and Insomniac are still tied in first place for #1 Green Day albums of all-time! I would fuck both those albums, but sadly, my penis is too big to fit through the CD hole. American Idiot still has the best song structure and variety. Warning comes in close second. But 21st Century Breakdown has the best song writing and all that shit. Give it a listen!

[coke_a_holic]

Static Martyr:

Ahhh, Warning is the only Green Day album I still haven't listened to! Oh well, it would've made my review a little funnier instead of just being depressing.

Man, I wish the album were better; I wanted 21st Century Breakdown to make my opinion of Green Day go from "I can't believe I used to like these guys" into "hey, I used to like these guys and now they're good again!" Oh well, maybe next time.

[Static_Martyr]

Well, as far as I'm concerned, they've already pretty much made their career. Anything they do after this is pretty much just for fun; so I don't really expect anything revolutionary. I'm just glad they're still making albums....hell, they could publish a polka album at this point and I'd probably listen to it~

Although I have to say, the lyrics....I like, and I don't like. I like on some of them, because I actually know what the hell the songs are about (I cannot say the same for half the songs on American Idiot)....but some others, I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. It's either too vague or apparently meaningless. It's better on 21CBD than it was on AI, but extremely vague lyrics always irritate me a bit. I don't mind symbolism or metaphor, but this non-sequitur poetry style of writing is what Fall Out Boy does that I don't like (not to say that Green Day is anywhere near as....argh....as Fall Out Boy).

EDIT:


18. I don't even want to listen to this. I finished the album and this song just isn't doing it for me. "I crossed the river, fell into the sea." That doesn't even make sense. Unless by "river" he means "That part of the ocean between here and the sandbar, but only during low tide." What a way to end. It sounds like the other songs. Fast forward. I like the end with the piano and the guitars. This is the only song where I actually like the piano.

I think "I crossed the river/fell into the sea" is something like, "I fell out of the frying pan and into the fire." It's like, you saw the river, and it looked huge and it was a lot of trouble to get across it, but you finally got past it....only to find out that the sea was on the other side, and it was much bigger. Not the most accurate metaphor (as, insofar as a river connects to a sea, it's usually the longways, not crossways --- the river leads into the sea, so you couldn't generally get to the river by crossing it), but I give them points just for getting the message across. It could be worse (something about "crashing not like hips or cars, no, more like....p-p-p-parties...." Ugh).

[TakesMeNowhere28]

LOL, I DVR'd the Letterman appearance and was talking to my friend before I watched about how i would riot if it was Know Your Enemy, but then I thought, "Hey, Letterman could pulll some strings and get them to play something else," and what do ya know, they one of my favorite songs on the record (who am I kidding, I love the whole thing :D )

They were on Conan last night and did Know Your Enemy. They'll be on Carson Daly 4 times next week. I'm pretty sure they'll do Know Your Enemy, 21 Guns, and East Jesus Nowhere. Don't know what the 4th song will be.

[Static_Martyr]

I have to say I'm not too thrilled about their Conan appearance; I was hoping for something different from what they've already played. And I already have 2 tapings of Know Your Enemy from other shows they've done in the past couple of weeks. I was really hoping they would play something they haven't done yet, like, I dunno, the title song, or maybe at least Viva La Gloria.

Ah, well. There's always Carson Daly....

[randman21]

Hmm. I was pissed that my DVR didn't record Conan last night, when it was supposed to. Now I'm not so peeved.

I forgot that I still need to say what I think of the album. I'll get to that later.

[coke_a_holic]

Analysis

I liked this, even though you kind of answered it yourself. It's a good attempt at literate lyrics, but ends up falling flat on its face. Green Day does it best when its just playing fun music; I wasn't necessarily trying to bash them for being bad, I was just trying to point out how ridiculous the new music sounds.

It's like a clown putting on a suit and tie without taking off his face paint. It's a good attempt at looking classy, but they're still a punk band at heart and if they're going to try to be serious, they're going to have to up the ante further than they are.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I must confess that I like this album, with one exception, Last Night On Earth. I believe that it will do well commercially, but won't have the same impact as AI. Although Dookie is my favorite album of theirs, I am not ashamed to add this one to my collection.

[Jakebert]

So I'm stealike Coke's idea.

1.) Song of the Century:
Honsetly just a pointless intro track that doesn't really do anything for the record in any way. Ignorable.

2.) 21st Century Breakdown:
Honestly, I kinda like it. It's catchy and fun. But once you listen to the lyrics you realize that it's just a horrible attempt by Billie Joe trying to be Springsteen. Lines like "born on the 4th of July" and "I never made it as a working class hero" are so obvious it hurts.

3.) Know Your Enemy:
Boring, repetative, and obviously written to by the "standard Green Day song" of the record. Tries too hard to be catchy and fails misrerably. "Violence is an energy! Against the enemy! Violence is the energy YA HEY!" may be one of the dumbest lyrics he's ever written.

4.) Viva la Gloria!:
Aside from the opening section, with the cheesy piano crap and pseudo-deep lyrics, it's not bad. Yeah, it does sound a little too much like Letterbomb in parts, but as a standard pop-punk tune, it's not bad.

5.) Before the Lobotomy:
Again, the whole soft-opening-turning-into-pop-punk doesn't work, especially given that they just did it on the track before it. The lyrics again are just bad and corny, and the music sounds like a bad GNR ripoff. The pop-punk section is catchy and fun, but again, killed by bad lyrics. But again, I wanna say that this is the catchiest song on the album.

6.) Christian's Inferno:
Bad, bad, bad. Sounds like a b-side that accidentally made it onto the album.

7.) Last Night on Earth:
Cheesy, but honestly, I like it. I have a thing for piano based pop music, and they do it well here. Lyrically, it tries a little too hard, but I can ignore that.

8.) East Jesus Nowhere:
Again, I like it. Nothing more than a standard pop-rock song, but something about it really clicks for me, despite how bad the lyrics in the 2nd verse are. Billie's vocals sound a little less modified on this one, too.

9.) Peacemaker:
Probably my favorite on the whole album. Fun, catchy, lyrics that aren't completely horrible, and kinda reminds me of one of my favorite songs from Warning without sounding like a blatant callback.

10.) Last of the American Girls:
Just a blatant callback of "She's a Rebel" but not as good. Predicted to be the album's next "rock" single, as it sounds like it was written to be that.

11.) Murder City:
Standard Green Day song # 2. Really dull, and for whatever reason, it sounds kind of put together wrong, like Billie isn't singing in time with the music. Just feels really forced with no energy.

12.) Viva la Gloria?
Yet another song I really like. Reminds me a lot of Hitchin' a Ride, but sounds different. The lyrics are again kind of off, but I'm thinking that Green Day is really good with blending Greek/Middle Eastern music with their usual style.

13.) Restless Heart Syndrom:
Blatant Oasis/"Let It Be" era Beatles rip off with a noisy callback to "Boulevard" at the end. Does not live up to the album's other piano based track.

14.) Horseshoes and Handgrenades:
In my opinion, one of the worst on the album. Awful lyrics, and an awful ripoff of the Hives, who weren't even that good in the first place. I thought Foxboro Hot Tubs got that all out of their system, but sadly, it did not.

15.) The Static Age:
Aside from the stupid "hey hey it's the static age" section, I like it. It sounds like classic Green Day and feels really genuinly energized, unlike the rest of the album.

16.) 21 Guns:
Obviously written to be the 2nd, "serious" single. Pretty bad and follows an obvious template. My least favorite on the album.

17.) American Eulogy:
Aside from calling back the opening intro, this song has no point. Sounds like standard Green Day track #3.

18.) See the Light:
Honestly, I don't remember what this sounds like, even though I've listened to it a few times before. Which, to me, shows how forgetable it is. Also, horrible title for a song. Ranks up there with "Everything's Magic" by Angels and Airwaves as the cheesiest song title ever.

Overall, it's a really inconsistant record that's pretty much pointless. Billie tries way too hard to be profound, deep, and intelligent and just comes off sounding like a 16 year old who wants to be Roger Waters. Even the stronger numbers come off this way.

The worst part about the album is how cheap it is when you think about it. The entire thing is just the band trying one more time to cash in on the anti-Bush/Republican politics that re-ignited their career in the first place, ignoring the fact that those politics have been dated for a few years now. The whole thing just seems like obvious attempts at manufacturing political rage and angst out of a dead topic in order to seem passionate and emotional, but most of it comes off as phony. The entire thing just reeks as a caulculated attempt at winning over critics and fans by putting on an image of political rockers, and in the end, it doesn't really work.

[Quagmire]

So I'm stealike Coke's idea.

1.) Song of the Century:
Honsetly just a pointless intro track that doesn't really do anything for the record in any way. Ignorable.

2.) 21st Century Breakdown:
Honestly, I kinda like it. It's catchy and fun. But once you listen to the lyrics you realize that it's just a horrible attempt by Billie Joe trying to be Springsteen. Lines like "born on the 4th of July" and "I never made it as a working class hero" are so obvious it hurts.

3.) Know Your Enemy:
Boring, repetative, and obviously written to by the "standard Green Day song" of the record. Tries too hard to be catchy and fails misrerably. "Violence is an energy! Against the enemy! Violence is the energy YA HEY!" may be one of the dumbest lyrics he's ever written.

4.) Viva la Gloria!:
Aside from the opening section, with the cheesy piano crap and pseudo-deep lyrics, it's not bad. Yeah, it does sound a little too much like Letterbomb in parts, but as a standard pop-punk tune, it's not bad.

5.) Before the Lobotomy:
Again, the whole soft-opening-turning-into-pop-punk doesn't work, especially given that they just did it on the track before it. The lyrics again are just bad and corny, and the music sounds like a bad GNR ripoff. The pop-punk section is catchy and fun, but again, killed by bad lyrics. But again, I wanna say that this is the catchiest song on the album.

6.) Christian's Inferno:
Bad, bad, bad. Sounds like a b-side that accidentally made it onto the album.

7.) Last Night on Earth:
Cheesy, but honestly, I like it. I have a thing for piano based pop music, and they do it well here. Lyrically, it tries a little too hard, but I can ignore that.

8.) East Jesus Nowhere:
Again, I like it. Nothing more than a standard pop-rock song, but something about it really clicks for me, despite how bad the lyrics in the 2nd verse are. Billie's vocals sound a little less modified on this one, too.

9.) Peacemaker:
Probably my favorite on the whole album. Fun, catchy, lyrics that aren't completely horrible, and kinda reminds me of one of my favorite songs from Warning without sounding like a blatant callback.

10.) Last of the American Girls:
Just a blatant callback of "She's a Rebel" but not as good. Predicted to be the album's next "rock" single, as it sounds like it was written to be that.

11.) Murder City:
Standard Green Day song # 2. Really dull, and for whatever reason, it sounds kind of put together wrong, like Billie isn't singing in time with the music. Just feels really forced with no energy.

12.) Viva la Gloria?
Yet another song I really like. Reminds me a lot of Hitchin' a Ride, but sounds different. The lyrics are again kind of off, but I'm thinking that Green Day is really good with blending Greek/Middle Eastern music with their usual style.

13.) Restless Heart Syndrom:
Blatant Oasis/"Let It Be" era Beatles rip off with a noisy callback to "Boulevard" at the end. Does not live up to the album's other piano based track.

14.) Horseshoes and Handgrenades:
In my opinion, one of the worst on the album. Awful lyrics, and an awful ripoff of the Hives, who weren't even that good in the first place. I thought Foxboro Hot Tubs got that all out of their system, but sadly, it did not.

15.) The Static Age:
Aside from the stupid "hey hey it's the static age" section, I like it. It sounds like classic Green Day and feels really genuinly energized, unlike the rest of the album.

16.) 21 Guns:
Obviously written to be the 2nd, "serious" single. Pretty bad and follows an obvious template. My least favorite on the album.

17.) American Eulogy:
Aside from calling back the opening intro, this song has no point. Sounds like standard Green Day track #3.

18.) See the Light:
Honestly, I don't remember what this sounds like, even though I've listened to it a few times before. Which, to me, shows how forgetable it is. Also, horrible title for a song. Ranks up there with "Everything's Magic" by Angels and Airwaves as the cheesiest song title ever.

Overall, it's a really inconsistant record that's pretty much pointless. Billie tries way too hard to be profound, deep, and intelligent and just comes off sounding like a 16 year old who wants to be Roger Waters. Even the stronger numbers come off this way.

The worst part about the album is how cheap it is when you think about it. The entire thing is just the band trying one more time to cash in on the anti-Bush/Republican politics that re-ignited their career in the first place, ignoring the fact that those politics have been dated for a few years now. The whole thing just seems like obvious attempts at manufacturing political rage and angst out of a dead topic in order to seem passionate and emotional, but most of it comes off as phony. The entire thing just reeks as a caulculated attempt at winning over critics and fans by putting on an image of political rockers, and in the end, it doesn't really work.

How does the second verse of East Jesus Nowhere have bad lyrics? This song has some of the best lyrics I've heard in a really long time.

I don't know how to do the multiple quote thing so I will just wing it. Coke-a-holic The Static Age actually has 2 key changes not just one.

And I would guess that the other song they will play on Carson Daly will be Before The Lobotomy. They seem to be fond of that one.

[TakesMeNowhere28]

I have to say I'm not too thrilled about their Conan appearance; I was hoping for something different from what they've already played. And I already have 2 tapings of Know Your Enemy from other shows they've done in the past couple of weeks. I was really hoping they would play something they haven't done yet, like, I dunno, the title song, or maybe at least Viva La Gloria.

Ah, well. There's always Carson Daly....

I thought they were going to be on Carson 4 times, but I guess it's only 3. Monday is a repeat and they aren't listed on Friday. But yeah, they need to do some of the other songs on 21CB because Know Your Enemy is starting to get old already.