PilZ-E. Let's make clear one thing before I start. If there are any parts of your post(-s) that I'm not replying to, it means that I don't have problems with them, either it all got clear now, or, even more, I'm in agreement. I would like you to do the same when replying to my posts please, because the way you overlook rather important points of mine leaves uncertainty, whether you accepted them or just couldn't counter them and I would like if not to come to agreement, then at least to make things as clear as possible.
As you later noted, I indeed gave a hint about not being religious, but why do you even mention this? Even if I didn't give any hints, there still wouldn't be any real solid reason to think that I'm religious. Are you trying to justify that at some point you thought I'm a theist by saying that I never denied that while I never agreed on that as well?
Originally Posted by PilZ-E
Yes, I'm surprised thread turned out to feel so fresh and rich, I strongly doubted it will be like this, which I wasn't right about.
Considering this is the most productive and interesting thread in a long time, I'd say I was right.
I have addressed this before, I said that it looked unclear back then. However, I'm kind of inclined now that you did imply that I felt offended because I'm religious.
In fact when I said you may be offended by the thread, I didn't even mention that you are religious.
Sorry, but I think that you meant that. I mean, read it. While you talked to no one else than me before in that post, you imply that I'm religious and in the next paragraph there are two sentences: in the first you directly address me, in the second you say that you think I feel offended. Most certainly Budzy or For Real wouldn't take it as if you talked to them there. No normal person would see it that way. Nobody sticks a line of general approach[is it the right term?] into direct (personal) approach by using the same word for both. And sorry again, but saying after that you should've clarified sounds like a very unconvincing excuse you just came up with. I mean, it could be true, it just seems so very unlikely.
For you to make sweeping generalizations about atheists and assume that they are all militant atheists who only concern is to convert you and shove it down your throat is just as bad as me assuming every religious person is just like Fred Phelps. Also, I think one of us missed the point of the comic.
Following that, I understand new atheism and adamant atheism. It may not be the same where you live, or maybe you don't notice it because you are religious. But a lot of it has to do with being defensive and fighting to keep religion out of our lives.
Anyway Free?, feel free to reply and talk about how stagnant and repetitive the conversation is, repeating yourself for the 4th time. I think it has more to do with you being offended by the thread than really caring about repetition.
Besides, it's been a month or so since the last religion thread, and this isn't exactly the same thing. Believe it or not, I am very interested in religious discussions and peoples opinion on this subject, as long as it doesn't become a flame war.
For the record, I have argued devil's advocate against agnostics and atheists who just want to be dicks. It's not only religious people that piss me off. Like I said earlier, I judge people from a person to person basis, everyone can be an asshole.
Problem? As if I haven't participated in those because I felt insecure? Or as if I avoided them because they were boring to me? Which one?
I did think you had a problem with the subject matter of the thread, because there are dozens of threads that are the exact same thing over and over, and I haven't seen you in those.
Trolls and even regular posters do that, throw a short meaningless line in a thread. Random comments without any clear reason aren't that rare. You shouldn't take it as if they do that because they're offended. Budzy does that all the time, and even that you've guessed right (bravo!) with For Real doesn't automatically make posts like these defensive. It was a pretty much blind guess. But even though I find jumping to assumptions like that pretty ridiculous, I can accept that you might do that all the time and it wasn't anything special. It's just my disbelief to your previous point I addressed that makes me doubt this one too.
Yes, Budzy and For Real gave me the impression that they were offended by the thread. Yes, with just as little as they said. If they weren't some how offended and had absolutely nothing to add (besides insulting the poster), I can't see why they would bother commenting at all.
Originally Posted by For Real
Originally Posted by For Real
Originally Posted by Budzy
But you didn't believe I was honest there back then, in the sense that I was really not fond of religious topics because I found them repetitive, not because I was religious, and decided to test that, did you?
The only thing you really said in your first two posts is that this is a worthless and repetitive discussion.
I get it that you also tried to defend legitimacy of this thread (no need to explain it again).
This question: if you didn't really think I was religious, why would you think I feel offended by this thread?
You confirmed that (*as if*) you meant that For Real and Budzy together with me were offended by this thread, in your perception, but you haven't answered the main among three question which I just posted again.
Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough, I feel like I could've done better this part.
I hope your interview didn't include religious questions and the interviewer wasn't a dedicated Christian.
It's 7am and I have an interview at 2pm, I need to get some sleep. I'll be back later.
That was a joke.
Hah! So I guess deep down we're just like everybody else then.
I've used these lyrics to describe myself as well.
P.S.: I urge you to eliminate uncertainties and answer my questions that you didn't address from my previous posts keeping in mind what I said in the beginning of this post.
Last edited by Free?; 08-04-2010 at 01:23 PM.
Before you speak think about what you're trying to say.
Who else is there to blame for miscommunication?