Tom Gabel comes out as trangendered

[0r4ng3]

PS- Tijs, what did you mean, "Davey Havoc and all"?
Fill me in please.

Davey Havok spent most of the early-to-mid 2000s looking rather...feminine. Tijs was making a joke about that.

[findout5]

Damn, that's OK then lol
For a minute I thought there were news he was gonna chop his thing of.

[Little_Miss_1565]

I just read this today...am I the only one who thought that it's gonna be weird living with his wife? Like, in a penis-free household? Will his/her wife get a boyfriend? Damn...this is weird, but thumbs up for the guts to do it!

Reading the article again, it sounds like she's going to consider the surgery but may not go through with it. A lot of transgendered people don't get the genital reassignment surgery...so many risks (Hedwig, anyone?).

Whatever happens, I'm sure she's discussed it with her wife at great length before going public with it, and if she says she's cool and they're staying together, they've come up with a situation that makes them both happy.

[bighead384]

So even though Tom Gabel still has a penis, we say "she" when referring to him? Interesting.

Against Me! sold out just so Tom Gabel could afford a vagina lololol

[Little_Miss_1565]

So even though Tom Gabel still has a penis, we say "she" when referring to him? Interesting.

I can understand how it's confusing. Someone's sex (like on their driver's license) is determined by what's between their legs - transgendered people can't have the M on their driver's license or birth certificate changed to an F until getting the vaginoplasty. However, someone's gender is determined by what's between their ears. By announcing her transition and by self-identifying as female, female pronouns are appropriate.

[Llamas]

I just read this today...am I the only one who thought that it's gonna be weird living with his wife? Like, in a penis-free household?

Umm, same way lesbian couples live together. And same way single mothers live with their daughters. Contrary to what many men would like to believe, penises are not necessary in any way for a household

Will his/her wife get a boyfriend?

I think that when you're really, truly in love with someone, a sex operation isn't going to change that. I'm sure Heather has known for a long time, too, that Tom/Laura has been struggling with this - I doubt he just sprang it on her a few days ago :P

From what I understand, the transition is the hardest part of all of it. In a few years, they'll probably have a happier household than they do now. But the transition time will be very trying for both of them.

So even though Tom Gabel still has a penis, we say "she" when referring to him? Interesting.

Trans people who never get the operation go by the pronouns that they identify with, too. Again, this is about sex vs. gender. Tom/Laura's sex is still male, but her gender is female. So we use the feminine pronoun.

Against Me! sold out just so Tom Gabel could afford a vagina lololol

Haha, this made me smile. I totally imagined this conversation:
"Hey guys, I think we should take the deal and go mainstream."
"WHAT?? No way! Our fans will hate us!!"
"Yeah, but I really want a vagina..."
"Hmm, well yeah, if we go mainstream we'll be getting pussy galore..."
"No... I mean... I want to have my OWN vagina. Between my legs. Instead of my penis. And I just can't afford it playing to these small crowds..."
"Ah, okay, well just make sure you stop, take some time to think before you make this serious decision, Laura."

[mrconeman]

You guys need to stop, take some time to think, and figure out what's important to you.

What really matters is this - will she be hot?
we have to make a serious decision when alterations have been made.

[RageAndLov]

From Fat Mike's twitter:

"It makes sense now why Against Me called me last week and asked if they could cover My Vagina."

"Oh, and Fat Wreck will be releasing a special edition of Against Me as the Maternal Cowgirl sometime next spring! "

EDIT: Oh and here is an interview of the guy interviewing Tom:
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com...9#t11960222929

[Llamas]

"It makes sense now why Against Me called me last week and asked if they could cover My Vagina."

If he'd said that instead of writing it (aka there'd be no capitalization), it'd sound like Fat Mike also has a vagina. That would be weird if Against Me wanted to cover Fat Mike's vagina.

[jacknife737]

"But she says that she has every intention to carry on fronting the band, saying: "However fierce our band was in the past, imagine me, six-foot-two, in heels, f---ing screaming into someone's face."

Fucking right.