OC Guns or Cruisin' California?

[Scythe Death]

If you were trying to prove that you're not overly aggressive and pretentious with a refutation that is many times longer than my post, I'm sorry to say you haven't helped yourself on that point.

And seriously, this feels like my old Philosophy 101 class 10 years ago. No.

PHI 101 is good for you. PHI 300 is better.

Also you may want to re-read this:

"make points by hinting at truisms and platitudes. What professor of yours told you that that's remotely intelligent? Do we all suddenly have the acumen of a pretentious, impressionable middle-schooler?"

[XYlophonetreeZ]

One of the most clear-cut observations I've made about debate over the years is that 9 times out of 10, the first person to pull out the term "straw man" is the one who is losing the argument. Most people don't even use the term correctly, but even when they do, it kind of reeks of desperation when you have to compartmentalize your opponent's argument and call it a neat little name instead of actually refuting it.

[Scythe Death]

One of the most clear-cut observations I've made about debate over the years is that 9 times out of 10, the first person to pull out the term "straw man" is the one who is losing the argument. Most people don't even use the term correctly, but even when they do, it kind of reeks of desperation when you have to compartmentalize your opponent's argument and call it a neat little name instead of actually refuting it.

Well I notice you aren't an apt mediator.

You know how much easier it is to point out the objective logical fallacy rather than repeating the same copy-paste lecture of how you're arguing a made up misrepresentation so many people that don't understand argumentation commit? Even then, most people don't understand what the term means, so I have to explain how they are fabricating a misrepresentation in lieu of addressing what I actually said in the first place... like I did just now with Little Miss 1565 and how I just did with you if you're accusing me of something.

It's just funny how you're all absolutely incapable of addressing my points, and instead go on in contrived tangents about my presentation.

In my experience though, the most misused fallacy term is "ad hominem", which idiots usually assume is synonymous with "insult". Then when you try to explain it, they go in denial and cling to their misuse of the term because they don't understand formal logic or really want to think that they said something intelligent.

[Little_Miss_1565]

So you're trying to explain how I'm fabricating that you're acting pretentious and aggro....by acting pretentious and aggro?

"Do we all suddenly have the acumen of a pretentious, impressionable middle-schooler?" What conversation are you having with whom?

[XYlophonetreeZ]

I don't care about addressing all of your points. It's nothing personal, I've just gotten bored with debating Offspring songs in the past week or so. I'm actually bored with it most of the time, but every time a new album comes out I get into it for about a month again. Plus, others pretty much already said what I could have.

I just was posting to point out something that bugs me. I would have done the same had anyone posted it. That being said though, I don't know why you think it's so wrong to call you out on your presentation. Fuck, dude, you're arguing about fucking pop-punk music. The points that you're making are subjective, the only thing that anyone's objecting to is that while the rest of us are attempting to have a tame discussion about a couple of stupid songs, you're getting all pissy about everything.

For the record, this was the post you made that set everyone off on this ridiculous debate:

It baffles me how someone can prefer something so simple minded as "omg dexter is cursing in spanish xD su funneh" over the sharp and brutal sarcasm and commentary of Pretty Fly. I speak fluent Spanish; OC Guns is just embarrassing.

I guess you'd have to be assholes to understand. lol

Yes, let's all have a rational, Ivy League debate over the profound content of that statement. God forbid anyone attack the untouchable presentation of it.

[Little_Miss_1565]

I would also like to add that thinking Scythe's behavior sucks in this thread doesn't mean I necessarily like either OC Guns or CC. But I DEF hate it when folks read one damn Foucault piece and think they can hold forth on the fucking Panopticon, or whatever.

The points that you're making are subjective, the only thing that anyone's objecting to is that while the rest of us are attempting to have a tame discussion about a couple of stupid songs, you're getting all pissy about everything.

A++++++, would buy again I think we should let this end with Treez's very salient point and continue on with the discussion of the songs.

(Meaning further thesis chapters that would make my old philosophy senior seminar prof break out his biggest red pen will be deleted.)

[keonii7]

Cruisin' California and Days Go By are the only 2 songs I skip when listening to the album.

[Little_Miss_1565]

(Meaning further thesis chapters that would make my old philosophy senior seminar prof break out his biggest red pen will be deleted.)

Because it's been missed the first time, apparently.

[KickHimWhenHe'sDown]

Well that's lame. My vote still goes to OC Guns. I need to hit replay almost every time I hear that one.

[RageAndLov]

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Too soon?