Are you a socialst?

[bighead384]

Just curious to see if we have any socialists here...

[XYlophonetreeZ]

I voted for Obama, so clearly I am.

[Jojan]

I voted for Left Party, so apparently I'm a PC.

[Tiny Vessels]

I voted for Obama so I guess that means I am a socialst. But I don't think of myself or consider myself a socialst. I view myself as a democrat/liberal.

[MOTO13]

Most people don't even relaize what socialism actually is. The term is abused. The basis of socialism is no private property. Everything is owned by the state or government and all goods produced nationally are controlled similarly by the state. Want to run your own business someday?...you can't. The state owns it. Think of a good invention?...submit it to the state. You want a better life for your family by working harder than the next guy and achieving wealth?...go fuck yourself, submit it to the state. Want a new car?...keep your 1980, good enough. Want to eat more, nah, you need to lose weight anyway ya fucking pig. The food will be disributed and you'll get what we (state) tells you to eat.

Anyone who lives in this country who actually considers themselves a true socialist or what we have socialism is a fucking idiot. We have become more and more dependent on the government because we are getting lazy and Obama encourages people to be as such. You allow 47% of the people to not pay federal taxes and then promise them more free shit on the backs of working americans, you have a 47% canned vote. You need only convince 3%-4% and you win.

[Harleyquiiinn]

Most people don't even relaize what socialism actually is. The term is abused. The basis of socialism is no private property. Everything is owned by the state or government and all goods produced nationally are controlled similarly by the state. Want to run your own business someday?...you can't. The state owns it. Think of a good invention?...submit it to the state. You want a better life for your family by working harder than the next guy and achieving wealth?...go fuck yourself, submit it to the state. Want a new car?...keep your 1980, good enough. Want to eat more, nah, you need to lose weight anyway ya fucking pig. The food will be disributed and you'll get what we (state) tells you to eat.

Anyone who lives in this country who actually considers themselves a true socialist or what we have socialism is a fucking idiot. We have become more and more dependent on the government because we are getting lazy and Obama encourages people to be as such. You allow 47% of the people to not pay federal taxes and then promise them more free shit on the backs of working americans, you have a 47% canned vote. You need only convince 3%-4% and you win.

... Isn't that the definition of communism ? And I mean Cold war russian communism ?

Because you know... the Socialist party here, (and I vote for them so I am called a socialist) is a moderate left. They think that some business areas should be ruled by the state (like trains and electricity for example), and it actually didn't work so bad for us...

Socialists, french version, also mean that it is completely normal that everyone should have access to healthcare and enough to live decently. They basically think that paying taxes to the government is completely ok.

But I think under the US conception of what is left wing, even Sarkozy would be considered left-wing. I realize, when I watch the US elections, how moderate we are in politics.

[MOTO13]

Like I said, a lot of these terms have been bastardized and watered up and down to mean whatever people feel they need to explain themselves. Communism, from my memory, actually refers to a communal belonging to all. Meaning there are no classes, no governing body and collective ownership to all. Nobody is wealthy and there are no poor. Common good for all prevails. This is the THEORY of it...usually total bullshit. Now, it means one political ideolgy, one style of governing the class, state ownership, and the ultra poor working for the super wealthy etc... Even Marx never outlined how communism for the people actually functioned. Either way, capitalism is FAR better than socialism or communism if you like free will. If you like being treated like a retarded 4 year old, the others work.

[Llamas]

I'm a little bit of a socialist. I'm about 50/50 socialist/capitalist. I think the systems used in the Nordic countries, which are about 50/50, are great. Pure socialism is no better than pure capitalism, though.

[MOTO13]

Pure socialism is no better than pure capitalism? Go to a purely socialistic country and have a conversation with the people. One (capitalsim) thrives on the individual success based on individual effort and reward. You are allowed to be happy. The other assumes you are too fucking stupid to breath and life sucks.

[Llamas]

Pure socialism is no better than pure capitalism? Go to a purely socialistic country and have a conversation with the people. One (capitalsim) thrives on the individual success based on individual effort and reward. You are allowed to be happy. The other assumes you are too fucking stupid to breath and life sucks.

There are no true socialist countries around. The closest there ever was was Yugoslavia, and that's no longer a country due to religious strife and fighting. Your definition of socialism is only one very specific type of socialism, and it's not the type I (nor really anyone who appreciates socialism) believe in.