That way of thinking is even more ridiculous. People excuse others for making ignorant or just plain factually incorrect statements because "oh, he's a troll, he does that all the time, so it's okay." But then I am not allowed to respond, because I am not a troll? [inb4 ya ur a troll] I don't argue with people like that for their own benefit, you know. It's actually become rather frustrating to try and have discussions around here recently because it seems that any conversation with a degree of substance beyond "we all agree about basically everything except some minor details" is met with derision and disinterest. I enjoy talking with people I disagree with much more than people I agree with on everything. I don't think that's ridiculous at all.
SM, I just find it ridiculous that you engaged a troll like MOTO at all anymore.
I disagree. I feel like we were actually getting somewhere before everyone butted in and decided to make this argument about themselves.
So yeah, it was a dumb, circular argument you were having with him.
Gonna have to call you on that one, as it is at best a complete falsehood and at worst a blatant lie. I didn't say anything until you made the comment, "The world would be drab if everyone believed the same thing." I asked you if you thought it would be drab if everyone believed in gravity, and you said that gravity doesn't count, you were talking about "beliefs." And I said, "Yes, gravity is a belief. So is creationism." I said they were both beliefs.
Oh, and I posted a picture that said religion would disappear. Religion. Not creationism. You replied by asking if everyone believing in gravity would be drab.
You are limiting "religion" to one kind of religion, the kind that you like and find easy to defend.
Gonna have to call you on bullshit again. Here are my exact words:
You said absolutely nothing about creationism. You compared religion to not believing in gravity. And yes, that's very condescending.
You tried to separate gravity from creationism with the qualifier "gravity is a fact and you either believe in it or you don't. Beliefs related to faith or simply what's out there beyond what humans can see is wide open, with tons and tons of different views." Gravity is a fact; Creationism being true or false is a fact, because it is an active statement about our current world and its origins.
Creationism is a belief. They believe that we were created by a deity 6000 years ago, and that this deity exists and interacts with humans to this day. That's an assessment of what is out there beyond what humans can see. It's also factually incorrect, at least given the accounts that have been offered so far.
All that stuff about the afterlife and what's there that we can't see is basically just a "what if" game. No atheist ever said you can't play what if. It's only when people say, "I believe this is what happens after I die, and I have no evidence other than my belief that it would be neat," that they really begin to take issue with the reasoning.
It's actually kind of weird how often you get this sort of thing wrong. For someone who hates labels, you sure do oversimplify things a lot of the time, especially when they pertain to religion.
That said, I'm not going to discuss this particular previous, unrelated issue about religion with you here. You obviously never read what I wrote the first time *anyway,* so there's really no point in going over it again.
For all the things that I never did
For all the places I never was
For all the people I never stopped
But there was nothing I could do..."