Propagandhi take hard shots at Dexter Holland

[Punk Rock Geek]

In the lyric book of their new CD they wrote:

"We have no sponsors because were not ****ing posers ( but we would take a ride in Dexter Holland's multi-million dollar jet that he's christened Anarchy Airlines, which clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power. Pretty fly for an asswipe!)"

They also take shots at the very label they are on, (Fat Wreck), the label owner (Fat Mike.), and the Rock Against Bush Compilation in this song:

Rock For Sustainable Capitalism

I ****in' love that one rock video where that ****ing jack-ass mohawked millionaire prances around by far the worst sausage party on earth, where by mere chance he's caught on film shaking hands with an incredibly diverse collection of patriotic skins. I like the message it sends: With a Rebel yell, Just Do Exactly What You're Told. One million douche bags can't be wrong? "When did punk rock become so safe?" You'll excuse me if I laugh in your face as I itemize your receipts and PowerPoint your balance sheets. I hear this year's Vans Warped Tour is "going green!" I guess they heard that money grows on trees. Hope they ship all those ****ty bands overseas like they did the factories. Music's power to describe, compel, renew... It's all a distant second to the offers you can't refuse. Anyone remember when we used to believe that music was a sacred place and not some ****ing bank machine? Not something you just bought and sold? How could we have been so naive? Well, I think when all is said and done, just cause we were young doesn't mean we were wrong. And I'll rock back and forth on this two-bit hobbyhorse 'til she splinters and gives way. I'll tend the flowers by her grave. And whisper her name. If anyone out there understands can I please see a show of hands just so I know I'm not insane? Ever get the feeling you've been played? Well, that's rock for sustainable capitalism and you know, we may face a scorched and lifeless earth, but they're accountable to their shareholders first. That's how the world works.

[dain84]

fuck those guys.

[Dirty Bertie]

I like what they say...

I just wonder how many millions they'll make before they sell out too.

[4eh]

i like Propagandhi but this quote sucks :(

[endlesst0m]

Propagandhi are retarded if they actually think that the name of Dexters airplane reflects his political views. *Sigh* The name is just something that everyone understands to be a joke...Oh except Propagandhi.

[IdiotOfTheDay]

What assholes.
And here's a quote from their website, too: "We encourage people to critically investigate any and all proposed social/economic alternatives to capitalism." What the fuck? Fucking hypocrites.

[endlesst0m]

"We have no sponsors because were not ****ing posers ( but we would take a ride in Dexter Holland's multi-million dollar jet that he's christened Anarchy Airlines, which clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power. Pretty fly for an asswipe!)"

Ok, first they're talking about how they don't have sponsers because they aren't posers. Then, as if somehow it were relevant, they use paranthesis to start talking about Dexters jokingly named "Anarchy Airlines".




Am i missing out on something, or am i right in believing that THERE IS ABSOULTLEY NO RELEVANCE BETWEEN SPONSERS AND DEXTERS FUCKING AIRPLANE.

PROPAGHANDI SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[Punk Rock Geek]

Propagandhi are retarded if they actually think that the name of Dexters airplane reflects his political views. *Sigh* The name is just something that everyone understands to be a joke...Oh expect Propagandhi.
I think what they are saying is that is demeans everything anarchy stands for. The Offspring may not be anarchists, but they did write a song quite in favor of it. (Kill The President.)


Ok, first they're talking about how they don't have sponsers because they aren't posers. Then, as if somehow it were relevant, they use paranthesis to start talking about Dexters jokingly named "Anarchy Airlines".

Am i missing out on something, or am i right in believing that THERE IS ABSOULTLEY NO RELEVANCE BETWEEN SPONSERS AND DEXTERS FUCKING AIRPLANE.
I think they were trying to relevence it with the word "poser" actually.

What assholes.
And here's a quote from their website, too: "We encourage people to critically investigate any and all proposed social/economic alternatives to capitalism." What the fuck? Fucking hypocrites.
Propagandhi is probably one of the least hypocritical punk bands out there. It seems like you've never heard of them before today.

I like both The Offspring and Propagandhi, but what they said seems quite legitimate.

[H1T_That]

seems rather harsh to have a go at dexter...whats he done to them?

[Manic subsidal]

Who gives a shit about that lame ass band...

[IdiotOfTheDay]

Propagandhi is probably one of the least hypocritical punk bands out there. It seems like you've never heard of them before today.

I like both The Offspring and Propagandhi, but what they said seems quite legitimate.
I've heard of them, but it's pretty much just seeing them referenced on the boards. I don't know much about them, and I've never heard their music. But in the quote that the maker of this board posted, it seems that they were condemning anarchy. In the quote I posted, which is from the FAQ on their website, they sounded like they were okay with it and didn't really care one way or another. It just sounds like they need to make up their fucking minds.

[GreenTerror]

Propagandhi is a really great band. I don't think it's very nice of them to be judging Dexter like that, but I'm not going to stop listening to them and hate them because of it.

[Punk Rock Geek]

I've heard of them, but it's pretty much just seeing them referenced on the boards. I don't know much about them, and I've never heard their music. But in the quote that the maker of this board posted, it seems that they were condemning anarchy. In the quote I posted, which is from the FAQ on their website, they sounded like they were okay with it and didn't really care one way or another. It just sounds like they need to make up their fucking minds.
Of course they are "okay" with it. They are anarchists. How did it seem like they were condemning anarchy?

[IdiotOfTheDay]

Of course they are "okay" with it. They are anarchists. How did it seem like they were condemning anarchy?

clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power. Pretty fly for an asswipe!

First time I read it through, that's what it sounded like to me, like they thought people should honor those that died for their country, and were being sarcastic about what the name of Dexter's plane meant.
And how am I supposed to know whether they're anarchists or not? I didn't know much about them, so I looked up their website, and read the FAQ. One of the questions was about whether they were anarchists, communists, surrealists, etc., or not. They said they didn't care what they fit into in the eyes of others, but they encouraged people to "critically investigate any and all proposed social/economic alternatives to capitalism." I tried to learn about a band before I criticized some of the statements they gave, even though they still sound like complete assholes now that I know a little more about them.

[Little_Miss_1565]

Guys. It's Propaghandi. Seriously.

Would you have expected them to say anything else?

[code_blue]

they're just a bunch of lamers who are against everything. they should go form their own anarchist state up in northern manitoba (they're canadian).

[endlesst0m]

I think what they are saying is that is demeans everything anarchy stands for. The Offspring may not be anarchists, but they did write a song quite in favor of it. (Kill The President.)



I think they were trying to relevence it with the word "poser" actually.


Propagandhi is probably one of the least hypocritical punk bands out there. It seems like you've never heard of them before today.

I like both The Offspring and Propagandhi, but what they said seems quite legitimate.

No fuck that its just nonsense. 1)Offspring aren't posers.2)The name of the jet is a joke.

these two things in mind, theres nothing you can say to argue that what Propaghandi said was legitimate.

[neocon58]

they're just a bunch of lamers who are against everything. they should go form their own anarchist state up in northern manitoba (they're canadian).

They're canadian?

FAGGOTS

[Lars]

You kids make me chuckle.

Get over it. It's not like it changes any single thing. Oh no, somone made a critical or negative statement/comment/observation against someone/some band/some thing. It happens every day all around you.

[agreth]

sounds like they've got some issues. someone tell them to calm down.

[darko]

I just wonder how many millions they'll make before they sell out too.


Aye i wander.....jealousy is so unbecoming!

[kami_mathieu]

propagandhi makes good music, who gives a fuck (aw my gosh, he sayed fuck instaid of ****) about what they think.

[Evka.pl]

never heard of that band. i think when some band is more successful (like offy) other (less successful)bands will just criticise them to show how cool and independent they r. lame.

[kami_mathieu]

never heard of that band. i think when some band is more successful (like offy) other (less successful)bands will just criticise them to show how cool and independent they r. lame.

as most punk bands, propagandhi IS sucsesfull, only not commercial or mainstream. they are can not be seen on MTV or heard on the radio, they are famous for theyr tours and performances in the underground punk scene.

[Evka.pl]

as most punk bands, propagandhi IS sucsesfull, only not commercial or mainstream. they are can not be seen on MTV or heard on the radio, they are famous for theyr tours and performances in the underground punk scene.

that kills my theory :)

still i think it's sad that a band that makes good, ambitious music has nobody better to criticise than dexter. i mean there r so many cheesy sell-out bands... and propagandhi r pissed off because dexter's plane has an anarchy symbol?

[original_prankster]

tehy r leik so punk rawk 4 sayin dat i <3 tehm

I've never heard any of their music, and I don't think I want to. :rolleyes:

[Kitten]

propagandhi makes good music, who gives a fuck (aw my gosh, he sayed fuck instaid of ****) about what they think.

You know, other people on here can type fuck too. It's actually easier than typing a lot of things, seeing as it is only four letters, it's hard for even stupid people to fuck up.
Obviously it is much easier to type than instead, or said for that matter.

[Italia311]

Not for anything but, Propagandhi fucking blows. Seriously. I've never like them. Now I have a reason to rant.

The guy who posted only joined the site so he could tell us that. He has 4 fucking posts. Get a life.

Propagandhi are a bunch of jealous bitches. Oh, and their music sucks. They're so smart the can't even get a joke. "Anarchy Airlines". CLEARLY Dexter is not serious. LOL. Well hey, I guess it was their plan right? Make fun of someone famous and people wont forget about your shit band.

[Revolver-2005?]

i took a listen to the band...and theyre alright but they pretty much suck

[Original prankstA]

Who gives a shit about that lame ass band...
well said my friend

[4eh]

i wonder what Dexter would do? if he continue to ignore messages like that (as well, not only Propagandhi criticize The Offspring).... well it's not cool, they should defend themselves.

[Kitten]

i wonder what Dexter would do? if he continue to ignore messages like that (as well, not only Propagandhi criticize The Offspring).... well it's not cool, they should defend themselves.

How isn't it cool? Something like this could turn into a shit flinging contest, and yet The Offspring aren't going to take a swing.

[Little_Miss_1565]

i wonder what Dexter would do? if he continue to ignore messages like that (as well, not only Propagandhi criticize The Offspring).... well it's not cool, they should defend themselves.

Or conversely, they could take the high road and not say anything about it. Seriously, what can a person say to that without making oneself look like an ass?

[kami_mathieu]

I could actually make a good case for propagandhi and the persons who think propagandhi are asses for attacking dexter like that:

- propagandhi has a good point, dexter might not at all think of the anarchy sign as a joke. maybe he realy thinks he is an anarchist by playing in a "punk" band ,and maybe he realy thinks he is rebelling by putting a symbol of anarchy on his jet. the truth is tough, the offspring is nothing near punk or anarchystic, it is a commercial and mainstream poprock band, with some minor punk influences (not that theres annything wrong with that, everybody has theyr own taste as they should have). dont you think they are making stupid assas out of themselves for promoting anarchy as a pop band? it would be the same as when some skinhead clames to be a hippie for liking treas. I can see why propagandhi, being a real punk/anarchystic band would get pissed off about that.

-propaghandi are asses, dexter is clearly making a joke here! he, being a smart person (you nead to be smart to write songs) and as an experianced musician, obviously knows his band has not been punk for a long time! he is mearly being contraversial by puting an anarchy sign on an expensive plane.
propagandhi is probably just jelous becouse they cant afford to buy a plane themselves, and if they would have the money to buy one, they probasbly would. they should keep to writing music instead of critisising bands who have chosen a different musical direction then them.

[offspring fan]

Propagandhi sucks ass

[Spookyvincent]

I don't quite see the point of this complaint....who cares anyway?
there are so many good bands on Rock against Bush that tried to help Fat Mike....i think there's a lot to say about Green Day's credibility. not about Offspring's one...

[Dex90]

What dicks!! who cares if they make alot of paying GREAT music!!!Offspring deserve it!!! Those assholes are just jealous cuz they suck and they know they'll never be near as good as the offspring

[igniton/pyro]

What dicks!! who cares if they make alot of paying GREAT music!!!Offspring deserve it!!! Those assholes are just jealous cuz they suck and they know they'll never be near as good as the offspring
that is so right

[Venom Symbiote]

My God.

90% of you people are quite retarded. Honestly, and I wonder why I'm so ashamed to admit to people I'm an Offspring fan.

Now it's been confirmed:

Idiots like you give false impressions about the rest of us.

Propaghandi weren't out-of-line in what they said, anymore than, say, Dexter's not out of line when he refers to Ronan Keating songs as "a load of crap".

Criticism works both ways - stop being fanboys.

[Punk Rock Geek]

Not for anything but, Propagandhi fucking blows. Seriously. I've never like them. Now I have a reason to rant.

The guy who posted only joined the site so he could tell us that. He has 4 fucking posts. Get a life.

Propagandhi are a bunch of jealous bitches. Oh, and their music sucks. They're so smart the can't even get a joke. "Anarchy Airlines". CLEARLY Dexter is not serious. LOL. Well hey, I guess it was their plan right? Make fun of someone famous and people wont forget about your shit band.
First of all, I have registered to this board 3 or 4 times, but they keep upgrading their server. Offspring was my favorite band for years, and now it is second only to Anti-Flag. I don't post a lot on other boards anymore because I have my own website.

Secondly, Propagandhi are not very big in the mainstream because they CHOOSE not to be. Lots of punk bands take this path. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Honestly, do you think they would insult their own record label, "Fat Wreck", if they hoped to get big?

Thirdly, they know Dexter is not serious. But a lot of fans do, or have, bought Offspring CDs based on the political views in their songs. (Which lean quite liberal, and even anarchic at times [Kill The President, Pay The Man]) That's why they think it's a disgrace to the word anarchy for Dexter to be buying a personal jet with that money.

[Punk Rock Geek]

I don't quite see the point of this complaint....who cares anyway?
there are so many good bands on Rock against Bush that tried to help Fat Mike....i think there's a lot to say about Green Day's credibility. not about Offspring's one...
Actually, Propagandhi were going to be on Rock Against Bush comp., but Fat Mike decided that since they were so openly anti-Kerry as well, that their song didn't belong on the album.

My God.

90% of you people are quite retarded. Honestly, and I wonder why I'm so ashamed to admit to people I'm an Offspring fan.

Now it's been confirmed:

Idiots like you give false impressions about the rest of us.

Propaghandi weren't out-of-line in what they said, anymore than, say, Dexter's not out of line when he refers to Ronan Keating songs as "a load of crap".

Criticism works both ways - stop being fanboys.
Thank you.

Let's not forget the "Even Jesus Hates Creed" shirts or the "Chinese Democracy" battle with Axl Rose.

And for those saying Propagandhi sucks; say what you want about their music, but their lyrics are written in essay format (not verse, chords format), and they know what they're talking about. (For the newer stuff anyways; their old stuff is just normal.)

[funkmonkey]

you guys act like talking shit about offspring is brand new...

dexter talks crap on bands too. you guys act like he's some guy on a pedestal whos being attacked unprovokingly.

[T-6005]

My God.

90% of you people are quite retarded. Honestly, and I wonder why I'm so ashamed to admit to people I'm an Offspring fan.

Now it's been confirmed:

Idiots like you give false impressions about the rest of us.

Propaghandi weren't out-of-line in what they said, anymore than, say, Dexter's not out of line when he refers to Ronan Keating songs as "a load of crap".

Criticism works both ways - stop being fanboys.

If you're looking for people with an ounce of sense, you're in the wrong part of this forum.

[Hypodermic_89]

haha just wait.. when Propagandhi goes huge they will be worse than GD, GC and SP combined. They will even be more gay!

[endlesst0m]

My God.

90% of you people are quite retarded. Honestly, and I wonder why I'm so ashamed to admit to people I'm an Offspring fan.

Now it's been confirmed:

Idiots like you give false impressions about the rest of us.

Propaghandi weren't out-of-line in what they said, anymore than, say, Dexter's not out of line when he refers to Ronan Keating songs as "a load of crap".

Criticism works both ways - stop being fanboys.

if Propaghandi's booklet just said " Offsprings songs are a load of crap" i wouldn't make a big deal about it. What bothers me is how stupid what Propaghandi said is.

No one is saying "I can't believe someone said something bad about The Offspring"

they're saying "I can't believe someone said something so STUPID about The Offspring"

[Punk Rock Geek]

if Propaghandi's booklet just said " Offsprings songs are a load of crap" i wouldn't make a big deal about it. What bothers me is how stupid what Propaghandi said is.

No one is saying "I can't believe someone said something bad about The Offspring"

they're saying "I can't believe someone said something so STUPID about The Offspring"
There's nothing stupid about it. Read:
http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=606161&postcount=40

[ashtray_girl_1]

why do you care what prophagandi say if most of you agree they're assholes?? they said what they thought and dexter does that too, so what's the matter? please stop bitching people who don't share the same standpoint as you....

[bdexterholland]

what kind of band Propagandhi is???
ho are they thinking they´re???
Fuck then!!!

[endlesst0m]

First of all, I have registered to this board 3 or 4 times, but they keep upgrading their server. Offspring was my favorite band for years, and now it is second only to Anti-Flag. I don't post a lot on other boards anymore because I have my own website.

Secondly, Propagandhi are not very big in the mainstream because they CHOOSE not to be. Lots of punk bands take this path. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Honestly, do you think they would insult their own record label, "Fat Wreck", if they hoped to get big?

Thirdly, they know Dexter is not serious. But a lot of fans do, or have, bought Offspring CDs based on the political views in their songs. (Which lean quite liberal, and even anarchic at times [Kill The President, Pay The Man]) That's why they think it's a disgrace to the word anarchy for Dexter to be buying a personal jet with that money.

thats just nonsense. the first two paragraphs i dont even care about or aren't relevant to me. the last paragraph just doesn't make any good points...first of all, most of The Offsprings fan base comes from people who hear the popular singles on the radio and then get into the rest of thier music.I don't know ONE person that listens to Offspring for Political views. Second of all, Anarchy deserves to be mocked. Stop looking at Propaghandi as intellectuals just because they use big words. Anyone who feels the need to stick up for a style of goverment that allows someone to walk into your house and kill you without consequence is retarded.

What Propaghandi said was just plain moronic. It blows my mind the people are supporting what they said. They would have been better off just writing "The Offspring Sucks" in thier booklet. Instead they tried to be more creative and funny, and attack Dexter's plane.it didn't work. At least not in the mind of people with triple digit IQ's..

PS. Say "I" if you listen to Offspring because of thier Political views...

i don't imagine i'll being seeing many "I"'s...

[Punk Rock Geek]

What Propaghandi said was just plain moronic. It blows my mind the people are supporting what they said. They would have been better off just writing "The Offspring Sucks" in thier booklet. Instead they tried to be more creative and funny, and attack Dexter's plane.it didn't work. At least not in the mind of people with triple digit IQ's..

PS. Say "I" if you listen to Offspring because of thier Political views...

i don't imagine i'll being seeing many "I"'s...
I.

Not strictly because of, but it's a large factor. I would not have been as into Offspring as I was had they not written anything political. You'll notice that there is a "Politics" section of this forum. This is evidence enough that there are a lot of Offspring fans who are into politics, and it is safe to assume that because they are on an Offspring board, they have somehow (positively or negatively) related their views to that of The Offspring.

Anything you disagree with you instantly write off as being stupid. That's not a very good debating skill.


Second of all, Anarchy deserves to be mocked. Stop looking at Propaghandi as intellectuals just because they use big words. Anyone who feels the need to stick up for a style of goverment that allows someone to walk into your house and kill you without consequence is retarded.
I'm not an anarchist, but you're just plain ignorant. You fail to understand that all government actions are on the basis of theory. Hypothetical variable "X" should happen, but there will always be a possibility of unknown variable "Y" to occur. If this were not true, America, and the entire world in its entirety would be perfect. However, the world cannot be perfect, and anarchy does not promise perfection.

In our current system, the elite can get away with what you have proposed. Murder, imprisonment without trial, and abuse can all go undetected by the media if the government and the FBI play their cards right.

Anarchy has a community aspect to it. Think of it of small governments where everyone has equal say. Communities are seperate from one another and do not interfere with anothers business. With that said, there would be consequences to murder as the community would generally be against that.

In our current world, I do not think anarchy could work. However, I also understand that anarchy is not a single day accomplishment. As days progress, things change. Anarchy could break out as a result of
A) Serious decline
B) Global Equality
Preparing for something like that is important. So do I support the efforts of anarchists, even though I am not one myself? Yes. Fighting for sustainable capitalism just a band-aid; we never really solve our problems.

[Sean 22190]

Second of all, Anarchy deserves to be mocked. Stop looking at Propaghandi as intellectuals just because they use big words. Anyone who feels the need to stick up for a style of goverment that allows someone to walk into your house and kill you without consequence is retarded.

What Propaghandi said was just plain moronic. It blows my mind the people are supporting what they said. They would have been better off just writing "The Offspring Sucks" in thier booklet. Instead they tried to be more creative and funny, and attack Dexter's plane.it didn't work. At least not in the mind of people with triple digit IQ's..

If you believe anarchy deserves to be mocked, then go ahead, mock it, but atleast beable to debate.

I happen to believe Propagandhi is the most intelligent punk band of our era. Can I prove it? No, because I do not know the IQ of any band's members. Through their lyrics, and music they seem like they are more intellectually advanced.

And about your bash on anarchy. Why would someone in an anarchist society kill another person? There would be no money or polical influences, and killing someone would only hurt the community economically.

I think it did work, and was quite ironic. Even if it was meant as a joke, it was amusing to me and others so get over it.

[Little_Miss_1565]

Anarchy has a community aspect to it. Think of it of small governments where everyone has equal say. Communities are seperate from one another and do not interfere with anothers business. With that said, there would be consequences to murder as the community would generally be against that.

Wow, that sounds exactly like my worst nightmare. Not everyone is equally intelligent, or equally knows what the best course of action for the community would be. Having everyone give their "equal say" would mean that nothing would get done, ever. Except maybe a lot of lip service to how equal everyone is in their community.

What happens when one community has what another community doesn't--for example, water.

Anyway, there's a good reason why topics pro and anti anarchy get closed in the Politics forum immediately.

Propaghandi made a childish remark--well, whoop de shit. The Anarchy Airlines symbol "clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power", eh? Cry about it, Propaghandi. I live in the most liberal region of the eastern half of the country, and I have zero patience for anarchy-loving hippies.

However, I also have zero patience for knee-jerk reactions of any kind, such as "OMFG PROPPAGANDI R TEH SUXORZ!!!!!11111!!!!ONE!!!!"

[the internal cheesecake]

http://thepeopleunited.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=4215&st=0&gopid=142275&#entry142275


^^cheeseburgers in my pants

[barangatang]

Welcome to the boards.

Your from the anarchy boards?

[endlesst0m]

its not that im closed minded when i hear opposing views. i swear to you, i make a conscious effort not to be. but some things are just so illogical to me that i can't keep an open mind to them.
its like dexter says-"i try and have an open mind but your brain and your mouth must not be connected". and i can tell by the way you present your arguement that your a fairly intelligent person but...

im gonna exagerate to prove a point here, but lets say someone proposed that a bannana should be the president. to me that idea is so ridiclous and im not going to even let you tell me how its a good idea. when someone brings up anarchy, i look at it the same way as that. no matter how many benefiets your bring up, which you did a good job of i admit, the bottom line is:

in anarchy, theres NO CONSEQUENCE for the masses of moral-less assholes or anything they do. that alone, no matter if you present to me a 500 page long list of the benefiets of anarchy, makes anarchy a worthless idea.(which Propaghandi supports by the way)

whats fair and whats better are very different things.

[Punk Rock Geek]

its not that im closed minded when i hear opposing views. i swear to you, i make a conscious effort not to be. but some things are just so illogical to me that i can't keep an open mind to them.
its like dexter says-"i try and have an open mind but your brain and your mouth must not be connected". and i can tell by the way you present your arguement that your a fairly intelligent person but...

im gonna exagerate to prove a point here, but lets say someone proposed that a bannana should be the president. to me that idea is so ridiclous and im not going to even let you tell me how its a good idea. when someone brings up anarchy, i look at it the same way as that. no matter how many benefiets your bring up, which you did a good job of i admit, the bottom line is:

in anarchy, theres NO CONSEQUENCE for the masses of moral-less assholes or anything they do. that alone, no matter if you present to me a 500 page long list of the benefiets of anarchy, makes anarchy a worthless idea.(which Propaghandi supports by the way)

whats fair and whats better are very different things.
I'm not here to prove that anarchy works. I'm also not here to prove that it doesn't.

I'm merely saying that you don't need government to make consequences. You don't need government to make rules. Think of the community as a parental figure if you will. Those who do not wish to follow the community rules are free to leave.

I don't believe that this could work in present day times, for reasons that Little Miss 1565 has stated, and others. However, I've found that the punk scene is more about anti-capitalism, anti-greed, and anti-violence, than anarchism, so I think it's important to explore all the different alternatives. You'll note that on Propagandhi's site, this is what they ask you to try and find. Alternatives. I don't know what could work and what couldn't; the point is we have a problem, now let's put out minds together and fix it. I believe that as our world changes as grows, so do we. What isn't possible today, very well may be possible in the future.

[Black]

Propagandhi owns all naysayers, end of discussion.

Their music is fucking ace and who cares, its a small pot shot in the fucking credits, get over it... The cd is golden and so is every bit of their work. They are the most legitimate punk band left today and they havent released 'singles' or 'videos' or any shit... they fucking worked for their success like dogs and still do, so dont talk shit on a band you dont know.

Anyways... offspring/propagandhi... different sides of the spectrum, no one should give a shit.

So why do you?

[bd007h]

I don't see a point in registering to these boards just to post about something that a band they like said against the band that the board is based around. They are retarded if they didn't expect people to tell them to fuck off. Dexter is probably smarter than all of the members of Propaghandi. He was validictorian of his high school class, and he was this - close to obtaining a PH. D in Molecular Biology before putting his education on hold to focus on his musical career.

[Lithuanian Offspring]

I think what they are saying is that is demeans everything anarchy stands for. The Offspring may not be anarchists, but they did write a song quite in favor of it. (Kill The President.)



I think they were trying to relevence it with the word "poser" actually.


Propagandhi is probably one of the least hypocritical punk bands out there. It seems like you've never heard of them before today.

I like both The Offspring and Propagandhi, but what they said seems quite legitimate.


Yes, but if you remember a song on a more recent album, on CO1 if you remember there's a song called Dammit, I Changed Again. I don't think they're in favor of anarchism. What does anarchism stand for. It's an absolutely retarded philosophy. I'm sure when you're 12 it can make sense but not when you have seen what the real world is like, it's a totally different story. I disagree totally with you on the hypocritic statement. They are very hypocritical. If they were true anarchists then they would simply release they're album on the internet free of charge. That would be the anarchist thing to do. But instead they travel with venues that they so blatently critisize, and they are signed with labels that they hate. Where is the logic in that. Propaghandi YOU are FUCKING Morons!! Thank youp you youp!
YAAFM (http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm10.php)

[Lithuanian Offspring]

Wow, that sounds exactly like my worst nightmare. Not everyone is equally intelligent, or equally knows what the best course of action for the community would be. Having everyone give their "equal say" would mean that nothing would get done, ever. Except maybe a lot of lip service to how equal everyone is in their community.

What happens when one community has what another community doesn't--for example, water.

Anyway, there's a good reason why topics pro and anti anarchy get closed in the Politics forum immediately.

Propaghandi made a childish remark--well, whoop de shit. The Anarchy Airlines symbol "clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power", eh? Cry about it, Propaghandi. I live in the most liberal region of the eastern half of the country, and I have zero patience for anarchy-loving hippies.

However, I also have zero patience for knee-jerk reactions of any kind, such as "OMFG PROPPAGANDI R TEH SUXORZ!!!!!11111!!!!ONE!!!!"
That was a great reply. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Striker]

I like what they say...


That makes it two of us...

[Venom Symbiote]

QUOTE:
"No one is saying "I can't believe someone said something bad about The Offspring". They're saying "I can't believe someone said something so STUPID about The Offspring""

I disagree. See, that's what YOU'RE saying. Which is perfectly legitimate - I don't necessarily believe that what they said was particularly insightful or revealing either. I'm with you there.

But from a pure legitimacy point of view, they're completely justified.

Let's face it: Noodles carrying on with his ultra-liberal politics IS pretty damn laughable, with what he does for a career and the choices they've made as a band since Americana. Dexter's plane, while sure, it's a tongue-in-cheek jib at the punk community, I still feel is pretty distasteful and somewhat tarnishes him and how I've always seen him.

I'm no anarchist (hell, I'm probably what most people here would call "conservative", even though I'm not - just MORE conservative than rabid teenage hippy punker fans), but I don't think anyone can really argue with the basic point Propaghandi are making here.

I've never liked The Offspring because I was under the impression they were "punk". They haven't been since a traditional "punk" band since 1992 for God's sakes, and I don't care. I think they're better than a "punk" band.

Fact is, recently (ie. post-Splinter), they've been parading around pretending to be one.

Now THAT, people, is what bothers me. All of a sudden they're "in" with all the punk fans again, for the mere fact they got a Warped position and played the CBGB thing, among the whole Noodles-marketing-liberalism-to-the-ignorant schick. I have no doubt these were conscious decisions, trying desperately to clear their tarnished name by over-compensating. This pisses me off, and Propaghandi have a point in what they're saying regarding that. I think they're using "Anarchy" a little less literally, referring to its apparently "fundamental link" to the punk scene and how Dexter seems to be parading that around.

Clear things up a bit?

[Lithuanian Offspring]

I think you have to understand that they used to be punks. Back when, they used to believe in all of it. Noodles, I'm sure, is really into all of those liberal policies. I'm pretty sure it's not some kind of schtick. Neither is Dexter's airplane. It's A JOKE! Nothing to be taken seriously. The fact of the matter is: we really don't know what they are like, they could be trying to regain their popularity and they could not be. This is an absolutely moot point, since we already like their music. In fact I think they have sort of reentered the punk scene. I mean in terms of what they have done this year (except for the G-R-E-A-T-E-S-T H-I-T-S). But I'm pretty sure they are not punks anymore. Hell, they're in their forties. They'd have to be retards to believe in aNaRcHy and stuff like that. All in all this is absolute bull shit. We just can't be certain enough. Propaghandi are just exploiting other peoples success to show everyone how they've been wrong. When clearly the people he's refering to have just made a life for themselves. And I'm sure that in a few years time, when or if Propaghandi are as famous as Offspring or NOFX they'll be singing a different song of sorrow.

[endlesst0m]

QUOTE:
"No one is saying "I can't believe someone said something bad about The Offspring". They're saying "I can't believe someone said something so STUPID about The Offspring""

I disagree. See, that's what YOU'RE saying. Which is perfectly legitimate - I don't necessarily believe that what they said was particularly insightful or revealing either. I'm with you there.

But from a pure legitimacy point of view, they're completely justified.

Let's face it: Noodles carrying on with his ultra-liberal politics IS pretty damn laughable, with what he does for a career and the choices they've made as a band since Americana. Dexter's plane, while sure, it's a tongue-in-cheek jib at the punk community, I still feel is pretty distasteful and somewhat tarnishes him and how I've always seen him.

I'm no anarchist (hell, I'm probably what most people here would call "conservative", even though I'm not - just MORE conservative than rabid teenage hippy punker fans), but I don't think anyone can really argue with the basic point Propaghandi are making here.

I've never liked The Offspring because I was under the impression they were "punk". They haven't been since a traditional "punk" band since 1992 for God's sakes, and I don't care. I think they're better than a "punk" band.

Fact is, recently (ie. post-Splinter), they've been parading around pretending to be one.

Now THAT, people, is what bothers me. All of a sudden they're "in" with all the punk fans again, for the mere fact they got a Warped position and played the CBGB thing, among the whole Noodles-marketing-liberalism-to-the-ignorant schick. I have no doubt these were conscious decisions, trying desperately to clear their tarnished name by over-compensating. This pisses me off, and Propaghandi have a point in what they're saying regarding that. I think they're using "Anarchy" a little less literally, referring to its apparently "fundamental link" to the punk scene and how Dexter seems to be parading that around.

Clear things up a bit?

thats well thought out, but answer me this. would a band thats REALLY worried about being punk again, or even just accepted by punks again, still be releasing songs like "Hit That" for millions of people to hear?

I mean its not like you have to be a genious to figure out that the punk scene won't welcome you if you write songs like "Hit That". You really think the Offspring aren't aware of this?

[Little_Miss_1565]

thats well thought out, but answer me this. would a band thats REALLY worried about being punk again, or even just accepted by punks again, still be releasing songs like "Hit That" for millions of people to hear?

I mean its not like you have to be a genious to figure out that the punk scene won't welcome you if you write songs like "Hit That". You really think the Offspring aren't aware of this?

Fucking WORD. I really think it's only a part of the fan base, not the band, that has its panties in a wad constantly worrying whether or not the Offspring are still 'punk fucking rock.' Who gives a shit, honestly?

[electric_alexa]

"We have no sponsors because were not ****ing posers ( but we would take a ride in Dexter Holland's multi-million dollar jet that he's christened Anarchy Airlines, which clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power. Pretty fly for an asswipe!)"

Ok, first they're talking about how they don't have sponsers because they aren't posers. Then, as if somehow it were relevant, they use paranthesis to start talking about Dexters jokingly named "Anarchy Airlines".




Am i missing out on something, or am i right in believing that THERE IS ABSOULTLEY NO RELEVANCE BETWEEN SPONSERS AND DEXTERS FUCKING AIRPLANE.

PROPAGHANDI SHUT THE FUCK UP!
yeah, i totally agree wid u

[OFFSPR1NGDUDE3]

propagandhi can kiss my ass

[Black]

Yes, but if you remember a song on a more recent album, on CO1 if you remember there's a song called Dammit, I Changed Again. I don't think they're in favor of anarchism. What does anarchism stand for. It's an absolutely retarded philosophy. I'm sure when you're 12 it can make sense but not when you have seen what the real world is like, it's a totally different story. I disagree totally with you on the hypocritic statement. They are very hypocritical. If they were true anarchists then they would simply release they're album on the internet free of charge. That would be the anarchist thing to do. But instead they travel with venues that they so blatently critisize, and they are signed with labels that they hate. Where is the logic in that. Propaghandi YOU are FUCKING Morons!! Thank youp you youp!
YAAFM (http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm10.php)
you're a fucking dunce ya 16 year old skid.

they created their own label and use fat wreck as a means of distribution in the US and other countries.

Propagandhi is the MOST educated punk band still alive.

[endlesst0m]

you're a fucking dunce ya 16 year old skid.

they created their own label and use fat wreck as a means of distribution in the US and other countries.

Propagandhi is the MOST educated punk band still alive.

But they're still summoning the help of something that they hate and don't support.

They may be educated, but that doesn't mean that everything they say is valid, or even makes sense, as they proved in thier comment about Dexter's Plane.

[Little_Miss_1565]

But they're still summoning the help of something that they hate and don't support.

They may be educated, but that doesn't mean that everything they say is valid, or even makes sense, as they proved in thier comment about Dexter's Plane.

Again, agreed.

Additionally, Propaghandi own the record label G7, and I doubt that all the G7 bands follow their stringent ideals.

[GBH2]

In the lyric book of their new CD they wrote:

"We have no sponsors because were not ****ing posers ( but we would take a ride in Dexter Holland's multi-million dollar jet that he's christened Anarchy Airlines, which clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power. Pretty fly for an asswipe!)"

They also take shots at the very label they are on, (Fat Wreck), the label owner (Fat Mike.), and the Rock Against Bush Compilation in this song:

Rock For Sustainable Capitalism

I ****in' love that one rock video where that ****ing jack-ass mohawked millionaire prances around by far the worst sausage party on earth, where by mere chance he's caught on film shaking hands with an incredibly diverse collection of patriotic skins. I like the message it sends: With a Rebel yell, Just Do Exactly What You're Told. One million douche bags can't be wrong? "When did punk rock become so safe?" You'll excuse me if I laugh in your face as I itemize your receipts and PowerPoint your balance sheets. I hear this year's Vans Warped Tour is "going green!" I guess they heard that money grows on trees. Hope they ship all those ****ty bands overseas like they did the factories. Music's power to describe, compel, renew... It's all a distant second to the offers you can't refuse. Anyone remember when we used to believe that music was a sacred place and not some ****ing bank machine? Not something you just bought and sold? How could we have been so naive? Well, I think when all is said and done, just cause we were young doesn't mean we were wrong. And I'll rock back and forth on this two-bit hobbyhorse 'til she splinters and gives way. I'll tend the flowers by her grave. And whisper her name. If anyone out there understands can I please see a show of hands just so I know I'm not insane? Ever get the feeling you've been played? Well, that's rock for sustainable capitalism and you know, we may face a scorched and lifeless earth, but they're accountable to their shareholders first. That's how the world works.

lyke omg!!!! fcuk them!!!!

[Venom Symbiote]

QUOTE:
"I really think it's only a part of the fan base, not the band, that has its panties in a wad constantly worrying whether or not the Offspring are still 'punk fucking rock.'"

I'm not concerned about that, not at all. As for Hit That, agreed. But still, you've gotta admit the vast majority of Splinter was a movement back to their "acceptable" punk-rocker days. Would they have released Da Hui as a promotional video (not videoclip as such, but it was still distributed for mass play in stores and the like, getting the word out to the "punkers") in the Americana or Co1 eras?

Doubtful.

I'm still convinced it was a conscious decision to somewhat change their image after the criticism of the last two records.

Again though, I agree with the fact that "releasing Hit That and Original Prankster, etc, nullifies any argument of them trying to act 'punk'." Fair enough. Still doesn't change the fact that those songs bite donkey arse (OP moreso than Hit That, the latter is well-constructed, but still...), and I'd probably rather they release a more "punk" song as a single anyway. Not that the "punk credibility" of a song bothers me either way, it's just the fact they're good at writing them and they, for the most part, turn out better.

But we're getting off on a tangent now. Oh well.

[Hulk]

Who gives a shit about that lame ass band...

Ditto M.S. They' don't give a chit about the name of the jet. They're jealous they don't have one.

[neocon58]

I wish the offspring would release a fucking serious song for a first single.

Release the poppy shit second, but make a serious song like Race Against myself or something like that for a first single. It doesn't necessarily have to be a super fast punk thing, something thats a bit commericial would be fine, just stop singing about hitting that and put some serious lyrics into a straightfoward rock song.

Even though I first got into the offspring with pretty fly, by far the best single they have ever released is gone away, sounds commercially 'acceptable' and the lyrics are serious.

We need another gone away.

[Venom Symbiote]

Yup.

Hell, I'd settle for a "Defy You" at this point. I mean, come on - "Next To You" is the best thing they've had radio play of since 1999, and it's a fucking cover.

The Conspiracy and Splinter singles just suck donkey dong, to put it lightly.

And, adding to that the fact that Splinter had so much serious-single potential (Race Against Myself, Lightning Rod, shit, even Long Way Home!), it's just rubbing salt in the wound.

Now Ixnay, that record had perfect choices of singles.

Oh how I miss those days.

[.:SMASH:.]

Yup.

Hell, I'd settle for a "Defy You" at this point. I mean, come on - "Next To You" is the best thing they've had radio play of since 1999, and it's a fucking cover.

The Conspiracy and Splinter singles just suck donkey dong, to put it lightly.

And, adding to that the fact that Splinter had so much serious-single potential (Race Against Myself, Lightning Rod, shit, even Long Way Home!), it's just rubbing salt in the wound.

Now Ixnay, that record had perfect choices of singles.

Oh how I miss those days.
well i have a feeling the next album is not only going to be more serious, but it will probably be thier last

[neocon58]

Yup.

Hell, I'd settle for a "Defy You" at this point. I mean, come on - "Next To You" is the best thing they've had radio play of since 1999, and it's a fucking cover.

The Conspiracy and Splinter singles just suck donkey dong, to put it lightly.

And, adding to that the fact that Splinter had so much serious-single potential (Race Against Myself, Lightning Rod, shit, even Long Way Home!), it's just rubbing salt in the wound.

Now Ixnay, that record had perfect choices of singles.

Oh how I miss those days.

Head around you was the best single for a long time, but as expected it followed the pattern of the offsprings other second singles from the last few albums, that pattern being that they get FUCK ALL AIRPLAY.

[electric_alexa]

well i have a feeling the next album is not only going to be more serious, but it will probably be thier last
dont even SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :(

[Venom Symbiote]

Oh, come on, you knob-sprockety little rectal-wart!

:D

(CGM)HAY had an absolute butt-load of airplay, at least down here in Australia. Not to mention the (abominable, completely abominable) joke of a performance of it on Rove fucking Live.

Screw that Mongolian toothbrush, and screw him good.

[Swill]

Propogandi suck!!!

[endlesst0m]

Oh, come on, you knob-sprockety little rectal-wart!

:D

(CGM)HAY had an absolute butt-load of airplay, at least down here in Australia. Not to mention the (abominable, completely abominable) joke of a performance of it on Rove fucking Live.

Screw that Mongolian toothbrush, and screw him good.

what was wrong with the performance?

[Venom Symbiote]

Vocalds sounds like a goddamn Chipmunk (and don't tell me "it was because it was a TV performance", he sounded exactly the same when I saw them in Brisbane, Australia in July 2004), and you could barely hear the guitars.

Atom was the only one not reeking of shite, to put it lightly.

[lost_nvrfound]

I've never liked The Offspring because I was under the impression they were "punk". They haven't been since a traditional "punk" band since 1992 for God's sakes, and I don't care. I think they're better than a "punk" band.

Fact is, recently (ie. post-Splinter), they've been parading around pretending to be one.

Now THAT, people, is what bothers me. All of a sudden they're "in" with all the punk fans again, for the mere fact they got a Warped position and played the CBGB thing, among the whole Noodles-marketing-liberalism-to-the-ignorant schick. I have no doubt these were conscious decisions, trying desperately to clear their tarnished name by over-compensating. This pisses me off, and Propaghandi have a point in what they're saying regarding that. I think they're using "Anarchy" a little less literally, referring to its apparently "fundamental link" to the punk scene and how Dexter seems to be parading that around.
i like how your put it that the offspring wasn't traditional "punk". the greatest bands alive are punk, but not traditional "punk", so you get all thes "punk" liberalist whiny assed turds bitching and moaning about how this band or that band is not punk "punk" and getting all indignent about the mere idea that they were.

however...

i was with you up until that last part.

now for one, noodles has always done the "marketing-liberalism-to-the-ignorant"(or so you put it) thing.

they did the warped tour cause its something they've been wanting to do for years, yes, even pre-splinter, but they've been tied up with touring all the fucking time in the summer for the past at least 7 years, near constantly excluding a brief (emphasis on brief) period between CO1 and splinter.

and finally, if they were really trying to get back in with the "punk" crowd, would they have released a greates hits, even more so, with 'can't repeat' on it. this song, which seems to me to be of the 'gone away' type brand, is so far from being traditional "punk" that it would raise more criticism than it would stifle. just like 'gone away' did, though that didn't last very long cause who couldn't like that song?

[lost_nvrfound]

"marketing-liberalism-to-the-ignorant"(or so you put it) thing.
i just realized how incredibly redundant that was... :D

[Hairy]

Wow, huge numbers of offspring fans don't know shit about propagandhi, G7 records or anarchy. Big surprise there then.

People saying "it was a joke" - yeah? So what, propagandhi's point still stands that Dexter Holland is an asswipe. Putting an anarchy symbol on your private jet isn't big and isn't clever no matter what your intention.

Propagandhi never claimed to be anarchists although most of the time they do follow anarchist ideals - running G7 as a co-op and signing bands with progressive political content in their songs (warsawpack, che chapter 127, clann zu) etc.

People saying Propagandhi will sell out when they get rich are fucking stupid. Propagandhi are about the least likey band to 1. get rich 2. sell out. They've shunned mainstream recognition (unlike the offspring) because of the dilution of your music and art that would entail. Claiming that propagandhi are envious of dexter's private jet is just proof of your ignorance about what propagandhi stand for. Seriously - take the time to actually find out about a band before passing judgement. And no, just reading the FAQ on G7 records site doesn't count.

Yes, I am an anarchist. Reasons:
1) the current political system is fucked and clearly not working to everyones benefit. GWB declares war on "terror" (which is about as sensible as declaring war on phalanx formations - but i digress) while tens of thousands more people die as a direct result of a ravaged climate and corporate greed each year than have ever died from terrorism.
2) I believe that when a decision is made, the people who have most at stake over the outcome should have the most say. This is anarchy.
3) Concentrations of power will only ever look after themselves first. Therefore it makes sense to decentralise power and allow people REAL participation in the political process instead of just giving them a choice between red and blue every four years.

Thanks for letting me put you straight there guys :) I reccomend giving any of the past or present bands on G7 records a listen, becuase there's a huge range of musical styles available there. Even if you're not into propagandhi there's likely to be a band there that you'll really enjoy. And you'll be listening to something with lyrics that actually mean something and have to do with the issues that actually matter.

Cheers.

[Venom Symbiote]

And in come the "true punkers" to save the day. :rolleyes: Oh Goody, our brave knight of decency and wisdom.

But hey, I will say this: you're smarter than the average Offspring fan. On that we can agree. You're not throwing around the "rofl lol bbq wtf w00t" speak like half of the cock-bunnies inhabiting these parts, and you seem to know your ideological theory.

Ok, so compliments dealt with, let's get to the meat of this:

Jesus fucking Christ!

Look, anyone here worth their salt isn't listening to The Offspring on any "punk" pretense. Any kid here who thinks Dexter and the guys form a "punk band" is obviously wrong.

Here's my position: so-brick-shitting-what?

If Propagandhi want to do the "militant anarchist" thing, then fine. Let them. It's got nothing to do with this band, and they're entitled to take pot shots at Dexter like that. I don't care. Hell, they have a point. But don't bring your sorry ass here and try to "set us straight". That's just fucking condescending.

Now no, I'm not a great Propagandhi fan. But I know what they're about. Trust me, nobody who's sane doubts their dedication to what they do or their sincerity in their anti-materialist claims. Fine.

It's just got nothing-the-fuck to do with The Offspring, Dexter, or anyone posting on this board. Seriously, not everyone who listens to this band is as much of a shithead as our reputation would dictate, just take that into consideration before you seriously damage your own.

Just taking a bit of a stand here regarding the "sellout" stuff and how it affects the fans and their lack of respect by others. The kids who've gotten into this band in, oh, I dunno, the past 7 or 8 years? You might have a point. But don't fucking classify us like that, I thought you "true" scene folks hated that shit. Fine, I agree, they're sellouts. They have been since '95. Who gives a camel's cunt, though?

Seriously. They're writing decent rock (note: not "punk", rather rock ) tunes and having fun. And if you're not as high and mighty as everyone's favourite political activists, Propagandi, that's all you need to do.

As much as the retarded Offspring fans piss me off (probably as much as they do you), crawl back to your whole. You're not doing anyone any good here, champ. ;) *waves* Shoo.

[Little_Miss_1565]

Ah yes, Hairy, you are so tru punx and hxc anarchist smart that you'll *bump a thread that's almost a year old*. Congratulations on being completely irrelevant.

I know all about Propaghandi, G7 Records, even this anarchy business. And ya know what? I don't care.

Agreed with Venom.

[offspring fan]

Propaghandi is tru punx! offspring is sellouts! :mad: :cool: :mad:

[Amazed]

old thread... but I feel like saying something about this whole thing.

to say "oh noez, he has his own jet so he's no tru punx" is ridiculous. 1. IMO, "tru punx" don't know how to make good music and are fucking lame. 2. if you had the money to buy something you really wanted, you'd buy it. it'd be stupid not to. if dexter wants a plane, then that's up to him. I don't care. it doesn't change the way I view the band's music or the fact that I admire him a lot 'cause he's a fucking awesome songwriter. hell, he deserves that plane.

[spidey255]

I wish the offspring would release a fucking serious song for a first single.


You do realize that Hit That is about underage/casual sex...right? Maybe not as serious as death (i.e. gone away), but still. Just because it's upbeat doesn't mean it's a joke-ish song.

In regards to whoever said Propaghandi is the most educated punk band out there....two words: Bad Religion.

[ilovellamas]

You do realize that Hit That is about underage sex...right? Maybe not as serious as death (i.e. gone away), but still. Just because it's upbeat doesn't mean it's a joke-ish song.

underage sex? wtf are you talking about? that's not what it's about. it's about being irresponsible with sex... having unprotected sex and not worrying about the consequences. Plus, underage? there's no such thing as underage sex.

[DeAtHsTaR]

You do realize that Hit That is about underage/casual sex...right? Maybe not as serious as death (i.e. gone away), but still. Just because it's upbeat doesn't mean it's a joke-ish song.

In regards to whoever said Propaghandi is the most educated punk band out there....two words: Bad Religion.
Fuck, the members of The Offspring probably have more education than Propaghandi.

[jacknife737]

GO Hairy! TRU PUNX TRU PUNX, OI OI OI

[Little_Miss_1565]

Plus, underage? there's no such thing as underage sex.

You wish, perv! :P

[Ninty Man]

Fuck, the members of The Offspring probably have more education than Propaghandi.


Dexter is a nerd

[Apathy]

My friend met Propaghandi, and said they were complete assholes.

And they are.

[Venom Symbiote]

Education has nothing to do with intelligence. Granted, Bad Religion and Dexter have both, but that's not really the point.

Propagandhi are fucking intelligent, for sure, but they're not formally educated to as high an extent as the former. Does that matter? God no. Just different paths, different ways of doing things.

On a related point, does being intelligent mean they're worth listening to, when they're militant ultra-liberal extremists? I'd think not.

In any case, let's stop the replies, we're just giving him what he wants.

Fuck this, I'm off to buy a Nike t-shirt and drink a Coke.

[ninthlayer]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/penguinfites/born2dielololololololol.jpg

[SplinterByMyOwnDesign]

"We have no sponsors because were not ****ing posers ( but we would take a ride in Dexter Holland's multi-million dollar jet that he's christened Anarchy Airlines, which clearly honors the spirit and vision of a long history of people who have struggled and often died fighting concentrations of wealth and power. Pretty fly for an asswipe!)"

The guy who wrote that obviously has every reason to jealous...

[Hairy]

In regards to whoever said Propaghandi is the most educated punk band out there....two words: Bad Religion.

Hahaha. Thanks, I haven't laughed like that in years.


Fuck, the members of The Offspring probably have more education than Propaghandi.

Since when did having letters after your name mean people should listen to what you say? Most politicians (at least over here) have an MA or whatever and are still a bunch of fuckwits.


GO Hairy! TRU PUNX TRU PUNX, OI OI OI


Where did I ever say I gave a fuck about what is and what isn't "true punk"? If it's good and suits my mood and taste in music I listen to it, so don't try and label me as one of those "punk rock police" assholes.

Also - apologies to Venom Symbiote for sounding condecending. Just pisses me off when I see people going "zomg anarchy is dumb wtf lol it means the government comes to kill ur family wtf!!!!11". Never meant to imply that *everyone* reading these boards is as poorly informed.


Ah yes, Hairy, you are so tru punx and hxc anarchist smart that you'll *bump a thread that's almost a year old*.

Or maybe I realised it was almost a year old and then decided I didn't care?


The guy who wrote that obviously has every reason to jealous...

Only I seriously doubt he is. Which was part of my first post.

I'm not about forcing anarchy down anyones throats, I don't think there's going to be a big revolution where anarchists take power... but I do believe sooner or later we're going to need to get rid of the current system of nation states before we:
a) Fuck the planet up to such an extent it becomes uninhabitable.
b) Evaporate each other with nuclear warheads.

IMO hopefully we'll move to anarchy through people reaching a consensus that it is the system that offers huge benefits to the majority of people over the current one.

Cheers

Ps. Again - apologies if I came across as condecending - it was not my intention.

[Ninty Man]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/penguinfites/born2dielololololololol.jpg



WTF is that? :eek:

[offspring fan]

Hahaha. Thanks, I haven't laughed like that in years.



Since when did having letters after your name mean people should listen to what you say? Most politicians (at least over here) have an MA or whatever and are still a bunch of fuckwits.



Where did I ever say I gave a fuck about what is and what isn't "true punk"? If it's good and suits my mood and taste in music I listen to it, so don't try and label me as one of those "punk rock police" assholes.

Also - apologies to Venom Symbiote for sounding condecending. Just pisses me off when I see people going "zomg anarchy is dumb wtf lol it means the government comes to kill ur family wtf!!!!11". Never meant to imply that *everyone* reading these boards is as poorly informed.



Or maybe I realised it was almost a year old and then decided I didn't care?



Only I seriously doubt he is. Which was part of my first post.

I'm not about forcing anarchy down anyones throats, I don't think there's going to be a big revolution where anarchists take power... but I do believe sooner or later we're going to need to get rid of the current system of nation states before we:
a) Fuck the planet up to such an extent it becomes uninhabitable.
b) Evaporate each other with nuclear warheads.

IMO hopefully we'll move to anarchy through people reaching a consensus that it is the system that offers huge benefits to the majority of people over the current one.

Cheers

Ps. Again - apologies if I came across as condecending - it was not my intention.

wow. this guy relly is a TRU PUNX! i will now serve you o` punky master.

[DeAtHsTaR]

http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/comics/20060828.gif

[ninthlayer]

Or maybe I realised it was almost a year old and then decided I didn't care?
lololololololol, do wut i want do wut i feel liek!

WTF is that?
It's Stza, talking about how we're born2dieee. lrn2punkrawkplz.

[iatemyselfandidied]

WTF is that? :eek:
Leftover Crack

[H1T_That]

Leftover Crack

If you did that yourself, you're lame. If its something the band have done with thier name, you're lame.

[Hairy]

Where did I ever say I gave a fuck about what is and what isn't "true punk"? If it's good and suits my mood and taste in music I listen to it, so don't try and label me as one of those "punk rock police" assholes.

wow. this guy relly is a TRU PUNX! i will now serve you o` punky master.

Wow. You so smart.

[Jojan]

I fucking love Propagandhi! :D

[ninthlayer]

Wow. You so smart.
To which the proper retort is:

lololololololol, do wut i want do wut i feel liek!

[Tigger Army]

Hairy, Hairy, it's a nice try, but why bother waisting your energie on this?

I doubt many people here even bothered to read what you wrote eventhough your words are at least worthy of being taken serious.

As for anarchy most here probably think it's a synonym of chaos (on dutch tv those words actually are used as synonym). I doubt many have ever read stuff about it or ever will. It's basically useless what you're trying to do though I personally actually value the effort (though I am by no means an anarchist myself).

[offspring fan]

Wow. You so smart.

SUPA PWND!!!!

[jacknife737]

Where did I ever say I gave a fuck about what is and what isn't "true punk"? If it's good and suits my mood and taste in music I listen to it, so don't try and label me as one of those "punk rock police" assholes.


Dude i Know you don't GIVE A FUCK, cuz u r TRU PUNX

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/jacknife737/TRUPUNXJFDSF.jpg

[Venom Symbiote]

*sigh*

Again, apologies to Hairy.

All I can hope for is that the 90% of idiotic Offspring fans don't ruin it any more for the rest of us. Elitist attitude it might be, but ffuuucck. It's all too much.

God I want to go back to before the internet. I swear it's dumbing down society.

[ninthlayer]

I'm going to have to go ahead and call shenanigans on that statement. The internet hasn't "dumbed society down." It has, however, made it possible to encounter idiotic or otherwise loathsome characters on a much more frequent basis.

Oh wait, you guys are having a discussion about anarchy and you're being completely serious. I'll try another approach:

lol guyz, ppl were dum b4 teh internetz! ANARKKKKKKKY!
http://www.sonypictures.com/classics/slcpunk/stillsclips/images/ml-mg-1.jpg

[punx132]

Its stupid that Propaghandi blasts Fat Mike especially about the vans warped tour comment...Fat Mike only goes to that because he loves to hang out with friends there....Fat Mike is a party guy, he only does shows or tours just to have fun with his friends, not for the fans...he says so in his music.

[Little_Miss_1565]

I'd just like to say that Ninth is totally correct, and I'd like to add that half the retardation in this thread is used ironically to make fun of our punk friend who doesn't care SO MUCH that he bumped an old-ass topic to condescend all over it. He may not have meant to come across as condescending in the most recent post he made in this forum, but you bet he meant it in the first.

[iatemyselfandidied]

If you did that yourself, you're lame. If its something the band have done with thier name, you're lame.

i guess that means you're lame:o