Hey, you how they didn't find Jesus' body?

[RedXIII]

Has anyone else realized that the Jews could have burned him to ashes, necrophiliated his body, or any such things? If the Jews didn't like Jesus, then why give him his own tomb and the like?

[HornyPope]

Read the bible?

[Little_Miss_1565]

And THAT's why they call it "dope."

[RedXIII]

No, no, my friend was trying to convert me and I was giving him reasons as to why I think it's all bullshit. So, then he came up with "They found his tomb, but not his body" and I was like "Whoa...really? Hmm..." then after a few hours I realized "Wait, those damn Jews probably did something to Jesus after they buried him. Like, take him out and drag him somewhere else."
I have yet to confront my friend. But, I was curious as to if anyone figured this. I knew you probably would, but, I still felt the urge to ask.

[Little_Miss_1565]

No, no one ever thought of that because it's pretty...well, moronic.

According to the gospels, Jesus' body WAS in the tomb for three days following his death. Supposedly, his mother and Mary Mags and everyone visited frequently to put spices and stuff on his body. On the third, he supposedly rose and walked around and talked and interacted with people, and the disciple Thomas poked his fingers through his crucifixion wounds (this is where the phrase "Doubting Thomas" comes from).

Then later, supposedly, he rose bodily into heaven. Hence, Christianity already took care of the whole "but how come they never found his body" thing.

You could always tell your friend that any friend who's trying to force his religion down anyone's throat isn't a real friend, and that God never wrote a word of any book that anyone treats as the word of God so there's no proof that any of it is true.

[The Talking Pie]

Here's a thought: graverobbers. I bet you could make a sweet mint out of Jesus' body on eBay.

[ruroken]

Here's a thought: graverobbers. I bet you could make a sweet mint out of Jesus' body on eBay.
Haha, yeah! hahaha!

[Sin Studly]

Considering the medieval craze for relics, that's not a bad theory.

Any idea how many preserved penises of famous people have been sold? And we're not even talking medieval, here, we're talking industrial era and beyond. Rasputins, Hitlers, Napoleons (at least three times, for Napoelon). I mean, Hitler, for fucks sake. They never found his body, yet they managed to sell several of "his" penises.

[RedXIII]

Haha, penises must be pretty durable against weapons.

[wheelchairman]

I saw a picture of Rasputin's penis on Pravda.ru (yes, the same news site that has reported aliens etc...). It was huge.

[Sin Studly]

That's not Rasputins penis. From first-hand accounts, Rasputins penis was average in size. There aren't really any credible ex-lover accounts of the size of Hitlers penis, because he didn't fuck everything in the country, like Rasputin did.

[wheelchairman]

Obviously. That's why I mentioned the UFO stories from the same paper.

[Sin Studly]

*fucks you with Rasputins fake penis*

[droogiedroogie1]

No, no, my friend was trying to convert me and I was giving him reasons as to why I think it's all bullshit. So, then he came up with "They found his tomb, but not his body" and I was like "Whoa...really? Hmm..." then after a few hours I realized "Wait, those damn Jews probably did something to Jesus after they buried him. Like, take him out and drag him somewhere else."
I have yet to confront my friend. But, I was curious as to if anyone figured this. I knew you probably would, but, I still felt the urge to ask.Well, see, that's just the thing. There's not actually any evidence to suggest that the Jews had anything against Jesus. Like, besides the Bible, which is not a historical document. History shows that Jesus' brother James inherited the not-yet-a-church and joined with other Jewish revolutionaries to try and nonviolently overthrow the Romans. When James was assassinated, the mainstream Jews went berserk and got themselves kicked out of Jerusalem. The Christians just stayed there, stupidly, and got persecuted. But it all worked out, because their own persecution made it OK for them to persecute everyone else for the rest of time. Plus, there were so many false Messiahs, that even if Jesus really did claim to be the Messiah (which he probably didn't)the Jews wouldn't have really had that big a problem with it, and neither would the Romans. The Romans executed him for his radical, left-wing, revolutionary ideas.

That, and the Jews respect the period shortly after death. It's sacred, even for a heretic.

[Sin Studly]

Funny how nobody ever questioned the whole idea that the Zealots insisted on Pilate crucifying Jesus, even to the extent that they asked Barabas to be released instead of Jesus. At least, they never questioned the whole idea until after the Holocaust, when they could capitalise on the guilt, in that typical Jewish fashion. Damn snipcocked Christ-killing lampshades.

[droogiedroogie1]

Funny how nobody ever questioned the whole idea that the Zealots insisted on Pilate crucifying Jesus, even to the extent that they asked Barabas to be released instead of Jesus. At least, they never questioned the whole idea until after the Holocaust, when they could capitalise on the guilt, in that typical Jewish fashion. Damn snipcocked Christ-killing lampshades.See, you're making that whole Bible mistake. The Bible's not history. It's historical fiction. Actual history (researched by good Christians) shows that Jews and Christians were barely different in the early days. Jesus never even claimed to be the Messiah!

This is all a great example of how rumors work. One guy hears something, blows it out of proportion, next guy does the same thing, and BOOM, there's a religion that thinks it gets to exterminate anyone that disagrees. Crazy how shit works.

[droogiedroogie1]

Oh, and at least our leaders don't kill themselves when they're about to lose at something. Talk about a whiny baby. Adolf Hitler would be such an emo kid if he were alive today.

[ninthlayer]

Could be worse, he could be a hooknosed kyke.

[droogiedroogie1]

You're just pissed because we're all richer than you. That, and our International Jewish Communist Conspiracy is all set to take over the world. Boy, you'll be sorry then. Nothing but bagels and cream cheese to eat! Chanukah every month! Ceremonial crucifixions at Christmas and Easter! No jewelry allowed except for diamonds! Everyone has to have a huge beard and a black suit and one of those black pimp hats that the Hasids wear!

[droogiedroogie1]

Considering the medieval craze for relics, that's not a bad theory.

Any idea how many preserved penises of famous people have been sold? And we're not even talking medieval, here, we're talking industrial era and beyond. Rasputins, Hitlers, Napoleons (at least three times, for Napoelon). I mean, Hitler, for fucks sake. They never found his body, yet they managed to sell several of "his" penises.So how would you fake a Hitler penis? I guess it would have to be pretty big, considering that he's a dickhead and all. But his balls would be so small, seeing as how he offed himself. Fucking baby.

[Sin Studly]

*sighs*

Okay. If you didn't jump to so many fucking conclusions, I wouldn't have to correct them all.

a) I'm not a Christian. I'm agnostic. Although I might be an arrogant egotistical fuck, I'm nowhere near arrogant and egotistical enough to think that I'll ever know whether there is a God or not. Therefore, I don't waste my time thinking about it, and am happy to find out (or not) when I die. I also know that the versions of the Bible (and the Q'aran, and Old Testament) that I have read have been translated and edited hundreds of times over. I know that Jesus and the early Christians were ethnically Jewish. I know that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah, and it was mostly the claims of John the Baptist, and the (in hindsight, misguided) martyrdom of crucifixion that built him up to be one.

But still, my point stands. People happily accepted the story that the Zealots insisted that Pilate condemn Christ to death for almost two thousand years, and those claims were only challenged after the Jewry managed to capitalise on the worldwide feelings of guilt over the Holocaust and attempt to shame people out of thinking certain things.

b) Hitler isn't my leader, and although I admire some of his characteristics, and approve of some German Nazism policies, I openly condemn most of the others. And his suicide, despite your purile and immature claims of 'omg ball-less emo-boy', was the right thing to do. Personally, I'd rather a quick bullet to the head than be conquered by the Red Army, whose brutality was known to surpass even that of the SS. Put it this way, if you were about to suffer unimaginable tortures and degradation at the hands of your sworn enemy, would you not prefer the dignity of suicide?

[droogiedroogie1]

"Dignity"? Fuck no. Even torture is better than the horror of nonbeing. I'm not religiously Jewish. I believe in a power that is beyond understanding, but I sure don't believe that I'm going anywhere when I die. So yeah, I'd rather get tortured. At least I'm living.

Suicide has no dignity. It is the easy way out for those too weakminded to face their own problems.

I really have no disagreements with you in the first big paragraph.

Should the world not have felt guilty for allowing six million people to die?

Even if Jews only capitalized on that guilt to make the point, isn't it still historically accurate?

For the millionth time (and please respond seriously) what do you not like about Jews? What did we do to you?

[Lithuanian Offspring]

:D Could be worse, he could be a hooknosed kyke.
He was...

[Sin Studly]

"Dignity"? Fuck no. Even torture is better than the horror of nonbeing. I'm not religiously Jewish. I believe in a power that is beyond understanding, but I sure don't believe that I'm going anywhere when I die. So yeah, I'd rather get tortured. At least I'm living.

Suicide has no dignity. It is the easy way out for those too weakminded to face their own problems.

You obviously have no real understanding of agony. If you were at all educated on the matter (and believe me, relatively speaking my pain threshold is extremely high), you wouldn't say things that retarded.

Should the world not have felt guilty for allowing six million people to die?

Even if Jews only capitalized on that guilt to make the point, isn't it still historically accurate?

No, they shouldn't. Especially not people born decades after it happened. And even if they should, why does it apply only to Jews? What about all the other races who have suffered genocides and attempted exterminations and been utterly ignored by the international community. The ugly fact of the matter is that Jews have the money and influence to exploit the deaths of their ancestors for their own material gain.

For the millionth time (and please respond seriously) what do you not like about Jews? What did we do to you?

Nothing to me personally. But I do have a vague dislike for the exploitation of the Holocaust, the guiltmongering, the warmongering of the Zionist state, the institutionalised racism of Israel, the collective cultural superiority complex of the Jews combined with the 'Oh, pity us' guiltmongering (for fucks sake, you can't declare yourselves the superior race AND manipulatively use guilt to appeal to people for pity and sympathy)

That's my main problem with the Jews. Every Jew I have ever met, ever, will declare racial/religious superiority over all others, yet instantly use the 'Jewish Persecution' card against anybody who disagrees with him, and most people are so terrified of looking like Anti-Semites that they shut up. You understand what I'm talking about? People say "Hey, maybe it's kinda not right that Israel is totally destroying sections of Palestine", and the Jew replies with "YOU'RE AN ANTI-SEMITE! YOU LOVE HITLER! SIX MILLION JEWS DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS!" and guilts them into shutting up.

I'm not saying all Jews are like this. I'm not even saying I personally dislike Jews. But, it has to be said, the Jews that have power and influence are making a terrible name for the rest of you. You need to stop with the guiltmongering, and the superiority complex, and the racism. And yes, the Jews ARE conditioned towards racism, just like the Germans during Nazism, or the Serbians under Slobodan. But at least they never guiltmongered people into shutting up about it.

All that being said, I really have no problem with Jews, only the Israeli State.

[Paint_It_Black]

Suicide has no dignity. It is the easy way out for those too weakminded to face their own problems.

It doesn't have to be. It depends on your culture. The Japanese soldiers during World War 2 were not cowards, weak or whatever. From a Japanese perspective, Hitler's suicide would have been regaining some of the honour he had lost by being defeated. I could see it as being one last "fuck you" to his enemies, by denying them the pleasure of parading him around. I certainly do not idolize the man, but you cannot call him weakminded.

[droogiedroogie1]

I don't know your personal pain threshold, Nazi 1. I don't know you. But I do know that I've put up with shit people shouldn't have to put up with. Doesn't dampen my spirits. Cuz when it was all said and done, I'm still a Jew rich enough to buy and sell your white-trash ass.

You're absolutely right that Jews should not be the only ones remembered for their suffering. The Armenians were wrongfully exterminated, and a group of Jewish philanthropists is funding increased memorial efforts for the Armenians. The Mennonites were persecuted for about 100 years, but only Mennonites remember it. All non-Christians that Europeans came into contact with were persecuted, but history books insist on heroifying Columbus and Magellan and the Crusaders.

I don't know personally of any Jews that have materially gained from the Holocaust. We didn't even get Israel that way. We had to fight for it (which made it an illegitimate nation in many respects.) Yes, we do have the financial clout to be remembered, and the hope is that if we remember what happened in the Holocaust, it will not happen to ANYONE again. That obviously failed, however, because we still see modern Hitlers like Milosevic carrying out the same ideas you have wet dreams about.

I'm the biggest anti-Zionist you'll find. I believe that Israel should not have to be a Jewish state. The government there is afraid that Arabs will take them over or something like that, if they give them equal rights. It might be true, but only because the Israelis have been so brutal. The average Israeli just doesn't realize what's going on in their name. I've been there several times, and I've spoken to more Israelis and Palestinians than I can count, and all had the same mutual misunderstanding. I volunteered with the Palestinian elections because I was in Jerusalem that week. I got to see a side of that conflict that most people don't get to see. And after all was said and done, after all the rhetoric from both sides was done, I still held the same opinion that MOST NON-ISRAELI JEWS IN THE WORLD HOLD: Israel's policies of state terrorism and institutional racism are reprehensible and should be boycotted. The media would never report on that because it looks bad for U.S. interests. But most Jews choose not to support the state of Israel in any way. Israel is NOT the Jewish people.

I apologize if you've gotten a feeling that Jews think they're superior. Everything I've said on these boards is completely in jest. I'm not even practicing. I'm actually only half-Jewish, my mother is Mennonite, so technically I'd have to convert if I wanted to practice. I'll probably marry outside the faith, because I'm from Kansas and there's not too many Jewish girls around here.

You've met the wrong Jews if you've only met Jews that play the race card when people criticize Israel. Most of us personally feel misrepresented by Israel's actions, and many of us feel like there's blood on OUR hands for not doing enough to stop what's going on. I'm one of those. I've done some, but I should leave college, fly to Israel, and work in Neve Shalom/Wahat Al-Salaam/Oasis of Peace until a solution is reached that is egalitarian.

With regards to your final statements: Thank you. I'm being completely serious. I don't feel that your racism extends to anti-Semitism (a misnomer, really, since Arabs are Semites as well), but you obviously have some animosity towards some people that have not done the Jewish people proud. Yes, we do have a lot of power. But remember your history. The only reason we were forced into those financial power positions was everyone hated us so they wanted us to start handling their money so they could have even better reasons to mistrust us. No one would hire Jews anywhere. Jews had to be tax collectors and businessmen. Suddenly the tables turned and Jews were the richest ethnicity in Europe. And wouldn't you know it, the Christians turned on us for succeeding at the only thing they let us do.

That's my problem with Europeans (in the larger sense of western whites--I actually like Europe as a continent). They're so hypocritical, they're so two-faced, and they play that race superiority card WAY more than any Jew does. Really, that's the motif of European/American history--whites think they're superior. They fucked over the Indians, they forced the Irish to be racist just so they could call themselves "white," they keep blacks in a cycle of poverty that conditions them to be criminals and nobodies, they pretend to respect Jews while tearing us down at every opportunity, and they just seem to have a wierd predisposition toward hating stuff.

But I don't hate Europeans. I extremely dislike racism. I think it's one of the worst things you can do, behind rape and cold-blooded murder.

[Sin Studly]

Just a few sentences there call for correction.

Jews became powerful because they did things considered mortal sins by the Christians (ie ; moneylending, usury, the trade of Slavic slaves to the arabs). The contention that whites wanted Jews to become powerful so they'd have something to complain about is ridiculous, you guys simply filled a occupational gap that Christians were forbidden from filling at the time.

Jews like you might not support the Zionist state, but the rich and powerful Jews will, regardless of whether they're Israelis or not. And, we all know, rich and powerful people are the only people who count.

White europeans are guilted out of even claiming to be proud of their race, let alone playing the race card on others. The only whites to play the marginalised race card are idiotic skinheads, and nobody takes them seriously anyway.

I realised you were joking, and never took you for a Jewish-supremacist. However, the sad truth is every Jew I've ever met has been a complete and utter fuckhead of the highest order. I remember one who would start fights, then keep running away (he was a lot faster than me), and turning around and calling me a coward and a chicken for not fighting him, then running away again. Yes, at that age, he outsmarted me. I took the bait, even when I knew I shouldn't have, and he made me run and run and scream with frustration, without even thinking to call into account the pathetic bitch-behaviour he was displaying (although, we got him back eventually ; nowhere to run when you're cornered). And yeah, my racism doesn't really extend to hating Jews because I'm not forced to see the worst side of them on a daily basis (unlike arabs, so I still consider myself anti-semitic). But I have never ever met a decent Jew outside of the internet.

[T-6005]

Cuz when it was all said and done, I'm still a Jew rich enough to buy and sell your white-trash ass.

I apologize if you've gotten a feeling that Jews think they're superior.

You're calling Europeans hypocrites?

White europeans are guilted out of even claiming to be proud of their race, let alone playing the race card on others. The only whites to play the marginalised race card are idiotic skinheads, and nobody takes them seriously anyway.

That's the real truth - for pretty much every straight middle class white male all over the world. Homosexuals criticize us as an intolerant group, women go on about how we think we're repressing them, people other races will purposely separate themselves from us ethnically within conversation so they can bitch about how we oppress their people. I'm not saying that doesn't exist, and I'm not claiming that this demographic isn't responsible for a lot of atrocities, but you're an idiot if you think that this group thinks of themselves as superior. Hell, we can't even be proud of ourselves, otherwise we're sexist/racist/oppressing/intolerant.

If that made no sense.... well, I'm really hungover.

[[Warning] Nimrod In Town]

He left the tomb. But he was alive, and many people saw him.

[Italia311]

I would just like to make a small little comment about Jewish people from my own personal experience.

In the city I am currently living in, there happends to be a large Jewish community in the neighbourhood. They have got a synagogue (spelling?) here and everything, nothing wrong with that, I personally think its cool. But, there is a certain degree of arrogance when they're walking down the street (and they're always in packs).

They also think they run the show around that part of the city (Note: This neighbourhood is across from the University). I had a Rabbi (spell?) yell at me on my birthday. I'm trying to have a good time, and this guy is trying to tell me what to do. He takes a personal attack on me and my friends. Now I must say, that Rabbi had some balls yellin at 14 drunk University students, and if we all didn't have a certain degree of respect for people of that order, shit would have went down in the form of fists.

Now, during our little interaction with the Rabbi, I did make a comment, nothing racist or even remotely close to it, and all my friends and especially my girlfriend got all fucking mad at me cause they thought I was being disrespectful. I said: "if people are going to complain about us 'loud university students' then why the FUCK did you move right across the street from it? He replied by saying "these people were here before the University". So I replied by saying "Oh yeah? Have they been here since 1887?" (thats when the school opened). I was wasted or else I probably wouldn't have said anything.

Point of my story you ask?
I have 2 Catholic priests in my family, one of them is a Jesuit priest the other a Barnabite (spell). Do you know how many times I've heard people make comments about molesting or crusades (stupid shit really) and I take it with a grain of salt. I say one thing to someone, that personally I think wasn't offence in the least, and all hell breaks loose.

So I Sin_Studly makes a very very valid point about the guilt. And its so true. Why can people openly display there hate for Catholic priests, but I say something to the Rabbi, not even bad, and all hell breaks loose. Why are they so special and why is it different?

That will be all...carry on.

[[Warning] Nimrod In Town]

My aunt is a christian; pentecostale priest. Catholic priests are going to hell.

[Italia311]

Does she play switchfoot when she is praying?

"we were ment to live for so much more..."

LOL. fucking christians.

:eek:

[ruroken]

Nimrod In Town']He left the tomb. But he was alive, and many people saw him.
Yeah, and I believe we can eat up our ass and shit out our mouth.
In case it wasn't obvious: Religious beliefs are stupid.

[Sin Studly]

Religious beliefs are stupid.

The fear of Hell keeps a lot of people from doing bad things. Faith also numbs and quietens people, and prevents more bloodshed that it causes. The common person need something to believe (and yes, athiesm is a religious belief too, you stupid religious fuck).

[arak0r]

as much shit as religion has caused, too many people have forgotten the good things some religions/religious beliefs have done. besides, even if you believe in god or not, the bible is still a good read

btw, personally i think spirituality period is a great thing.

[Sin Studly]

The common person?

Allow me, but even geniuses had faith of some kind.

So? It's the common people who need to be silenced with religious faith, it doesn't matter what geniuses believe.

[Dead Poetic]

Bleeding on the cross for the world to see. Eat the flesh and drink the blood,
slave of reality for you're just one more of the flock

[Sin Studly]

Don't be the teen, sin... brimful with misconceptions... a true agnostic wouldn't casually toss aside the question of the existence of a supreme deity... he wouldn't repose himself on his laurels... he would hanker after proof... otherwise he'd be a 'mere' skeptic...

A skeptic leans towards disbelief, whilst I don't. I know there is no proof to be had (that isn't by it's own nature, posthumous), and I'm not nearly arrogant enough to think I'll ever understand the nature of God, or whether He exists, nor am I filled with blind faith. So it's a question I toss aside (although not so casually), knowing that I'll never be able to answer it in this lifetime.