The Offspring, A Christian Band? Theoretical Framework...

[haveyouever?]

Do I believe that the Offspring is a Christian Band? No I certainly don't.... however in loving their music and listening to their gripping lyrics throughout the years it is evident that they are on a quest for meaning...and boy are they close to the TRUTH...that God is the only answer...in an effort to establish this "theory" i will go to the Offspring "gospel" and talk some lyrics...

***disclaimer...i obviously do not know what was going through dexters head when he was writing these songs..and am perhaps taking the words out of context..but just for a moment bear with me***

"There was a time, looking through myself
Wanting to pretend
If I escaped, I could fill myself
I don‘t think you can
Been far and wide
But that hole inside
Never really leaves
When I went away, what I really left
Left behind was me"
sounds as if the world has been searched for meaning, that drunken party, that "true love", that killer wave, but all these things left was emptiness

"Have you ever felt like there was more
Like someone else was keeping score
And what could make you whole was simply out of reach

the answer to these lyrics is yes, we all have felt this way, because there is something more, if you really search yourself....you know God to be true...would you give Him a chance?

And when you know you can‘t relate
To one more shiny face
Your heart breaks
No one cares
And when you know you can‘t go on
Cause everything is wrong
Your heart breaks
But no one‘s there
boy that is some straight up truth...look around at this world and the moral decline..values are nonexistent...people fail us...friends, family mess up......but there is someone there..the only one who can make us whole....guess who? :) stop the heartbreak and give your heart to Him

All I want
All I need
Always lies just out of reach
I‘ve been coming up empty

I‘ve run as fast
As I can run
I‘ve pushed as hard as anyone
Still there‘s nothing for me
wow..so often do we strive and try hard to do the right things even, but it doesnt matter if we dont have the right motives, we can run we can hide but the truth will not escape us, that is why our lives our miserable because we refuse to accept the love of God

All along
I think I really knew
It was there in the words unspoken
All along
Still believed in you
Now I stand here betrayed and broken

Close my eyes from the burning
All along all the while it‘s true
Take it on, or turn your back
Either way, you can‘t escape it
i just love these lyrics they basically spell out everything i've said unto this point, i believe with my heart that the YOU in these lyrics is about God....almost every American has heard the gospel message and we are left with a choice to accept the love or refuse and go on feeling betrayed and broken...which do you prefer?

Every single day, what you say
Makes no sense to me
Letting you inside isn‘t right
Cause you‘ll mess with me
I never really know
What‘s really going inside you
I can‘t get my head around you
i will end this extremely long post with these lyrics...the reason why we are scared and run from God is just what this says....letting you inside isnt right...you'll mess with me....we know that if we give God a chance we will have to change things in our life and who likes change? no one does..its hard its scary..its unknown....but i urge you....just ask God and see what he does..he is not out to mess with you..he's out to give you a hope and a future to prosper you.....

i could go on and on and fill up 500 pages with lyrics but this is far too long....please forgive me if i come off as holier than thou....i am a horrible person each and everyday of my life....but God's grace is good.....thank you Offspring for your amazing band and inspiration throughout the years..and if you decide to kick me off of your message board i totally understand......

[bd007h]

double-you tee eff?

[Sinister]

double-you tee eff?
my thoughts exactly, except I'm not enough of a net junkie to think in abbreviations.

[DeAtHsTaR]

Well, that was uh, interesting.

[pretty_fly_white_guy858]

double-you tee eff?
Times ten .

[That_Guy91]

I'm fairly sure this is just some religious guy trying desparately to get people to go to church, so he tries to find some vague link between The Offspring and god.

[bd007h]

he's on a mission from god. Sounds kinda crazy, but he likes it a lot

[jrk247]

^ so am I!

[jrk247]

I really don't think any punk rock bands are Christian bands.

Christian bands don't use profanity.

[jrk247]

I find it funny that he started this thread on his first post.

[That_Guy91]

First, yes that was his first post, which kind of helps my point. Second, don't triple post. Really. Third, MxPx.

(these points aren't in order, by the way)

[Revolver-2005?]

I really don't think any punk rock bands are Christian bands.

Christian bands don't use profanity.

there are some christian punk bands...which is weird but what ever


and man what the hell is that crap?

[jrk247]

and man what the hell is that crap?
What ?

[Apathy]

The lyrics are deep. You can interpret them in many ways.

[SplinterByMyOwnDesign]

Whoever made this thread is a complete retard and should die.

by the way, i hope you burn in hell you christian peice of shit.

[jrk247]

^Did you notice it was their first post? I think they are trying to convert Offspring fans into full blown CHRISTIANS! Oh NO! Not Church! :D

[DeAtHsTaR]

by the way, i hope you burn in hell you christian peice of shit.
That's pretty harsh, dickhead.

[jrk247]

That's pretty harsh, dickhead.
I agree that it is harsh but, the creator of this thread is trying to force the Christian mindset of religion on the people who listen to the offspring. What if I am Budhist, a Hindu, Jewish, Islamic, etc... He has no right saying what the lyrics mean, because half of those have to deal with love and being heart broken not finding "GOD". He apparantly has no idea what the offspring are like.

[DeAtHsTaR]

I agree that it is harsh but, the creator of this thread is trying to force the Christian mindset of religion on the people who listen to the offspring. What if I am Budhist, a Hindu, Jewish, Islamic, etc... He has no right saying what the lyrics mean, because half of those have to deal with love and being heart broken not finding "GOD". He apparantly has no idea what the offspring are like.
I know he's wrong too. But it's just fucking sick that that other guy hates people for being Christian.

[Fspring]

Whoever made this thread is a complete retard and should die.

by the way, i hope you burn in hell you christian peice of shit.

You are such an intolerant ass.....

Ó meu ganda anormal, é esse tipo de merdas ke faz com ke os ramalah's andem paí a aviar bombas no ppl....

[ilovellamas]

I bet this guy doesn't actually like the offspring, just goes around making accounts on band websites with vague lyric connections...

I think there is meaning to Dexter looking for the truth, and I think that makes him agnostic. Certainly we don't know their beliefs, but their lyrics like "the meaning of life" basically point toward them trying to figure stuff out for themselves- definitely not being Christian.

[Rutegard]

I'm fairly sure this is just some religious guy trying desparately to get people to go to church, so he tries to find some vague link between The Offspring and god.


LOOOOL hell yeah

[Rutegard]

I bet this guy doesn't actually like the offspring, just goes around making accounts on band websites with vague lyric connections...

I think there is meaning to Dexter looking for the truth, and I think that makes him agnostic. Certainly we don't know their beliefs, but their lyrics like "the meaning of life" basically point toward them trying to figure stuff out for themselves- definitely not being Christian.


yeah that's the point
i second that

[Lenny]

Really does it matter if the Offspring are a christian band, they still make good music so who cares, really?

[Tijs]

Third, MxPx.
MxPx isn't a Christian band. They don't promote their religion in their songs. I've seen them live twice and haven't heard them say a single thing about God or religious related.
May I quote from their website's FAQ:

IS MXPX A CHRISTIAN BAND?
Mxpx are Christians in a band.

[Drum Goddess]

i dont think the offspring is a christian band.

[haveyouever?]

i'm not saying they are a christian band by any means.....i put in a disclaimer that said i do not know what their lyrics really mean...i'm just saying i can relate to the lyrics from a christian worldview...you can probably do it with any band....but the offspring has deep meaningful lyrics mostly....there not just about girls....drugs....parties...cops...there are some songs like that definitely...but many of the songs are depressing..and its because there is a void....there is some sense of emptiness...."how can one little street swallow so many lives..chances thrown....nothings free....longing for used to be..still its hard....hard to see fragile lives..shattered dreams.."

this is a message board where people can express their opinions..i'm by no means saying that i'm right...and i'm not trying to force "church" or "religion" on anyone..i'm opposed to religion....i am however for a relationship with God...let me ask you this...if God is real...that makes the Bible real...which makes heaven and hell real....if heaven and hell are real....wouldn't you want the resource to get you to heaven? what is the worst that can happen.....you ask God to show you that he is real...and he does....and you are saved from hopelessness, despair, HELL.....if you ask God to show you if he is real...and he doesn't(which he wont)....than you go on living like you are.....

peace out...thanks for the feedback...."someday i'll try again...not pretend...this time forever"...

STAY UP

[punker]

i still think that you're trying to force people to get in to church or at least to believe in god, reminds of this girl i was talkin to on msn, that keep saying how stupid i was for not believing in god

[Dmarques]

AMEN!! People...

[Hyper nova]

isn't noodles jewish?

and isn't the reason why they never released Mission From God (until epitaph did) is becasue people would think they were a religious band when they aren't?

No offence to that guy but he's an idiot.

[haveyouever?]

i still think that you're trying to force people to get in to church or at least to believe in god, reminds of this girl i was talkin to on msn, that keep saying how stupid i was for not believing in god

that someone would say that....to you...i'm very sorry....Christians can be so hypocritical and ridiculous...i am the first to admit that.....but how am i forcing you? i am not taking a gun out and saying read this...do this...i'm just saying if you(not just you..me everyone) is tired of getting loaded...cutting themselves....popping pills...going through life on a meaningless and grievous journey..maybe there is something else out there...??

[Dmarques]

that someone would say that....to you...i'm very sorry....Christians can be so hypocritical and ridiculous...i am the first to admit that.....but how am i forcing you? i am not taking a gun out and saying read this...do this...i'm just saying if you(not just you..me everyone) is tired of getting loaded...cutting themselves....popping pills...going through life on a meaningless and grievous journey..maybe there is something else out there...??
I believe in god and i'm not christian,etc...

[Revolver-2005?]

MxPx isn't a Christian band. They don't promote their religion in their songs. I've seen them live twice and haven't heard them say a single thing about God or religious related.


MxPx started as a christian band in their early incarnations.


And this thread still blows

[Titus]

The lyrics are deep. You can interpret them in many ways.


I agree

Everyone got a different way to interpret offspring´s music. And he wrote what he think. Free expression. And I confess, that makes me think, but I do not agree.

Do I believe that the Offspring is a Christian Band? No I certainly don't....

He didn´t ask no one to think the same thing as him. And he didn´t force no one.

[Rufus]

The Offspring aren't religeous


[WD]: What was the extra song from Ignition?
[D]: It was a song called ‘Mission From God‘.
[WD]: But you never did anything with that?
[D]: We just didn‘t think it was as good as the other songs and it was kinda‘ like a Blue‘s Brothers reference. We weren‘t seriously religious and so we were debating in the band that it might come across as a religious song. It wasn‘t, though. It was the farthest thing from it. Like in the vain of a ‘Bad Habit‘. The guy in the song is kooky and whacked out. I should re-write that about the Washington sniper now, huh? So that one was left off and we never did anything with it. That was that one….

[Tomoo]

he's on a mission from god. Sounds kinda crazy, but he likes it a lot

^^LOL!! :D

[alistair13]

yeah, who thought all along could be about god...? i never did

[jrk247]

that someone would say that....to you...i'm very sorry....Christians can be so hypocritical and ridiculous...i am the first to admit that.....but how am i forcing you? i am not taking a gun out and saying read this...do this...i'm just saying if you(not just you..me everyone) is tired of getting loaded...cutting themselves....popping pills...going through life on a meaningless and grievous journey..maybe there is something else out there...??
First of all I believe in GOD I am a Christian. And 2nd I don't get loaded, cut myself, pop pills, etc.. How fucking dare you say that shit to people, just because they don't believe in what you do. Fuck YOU, stop trying to say "instead of doing this go towards GOD." As I said before not everyone is a Christian, there are other religions out there. You are being Unconstitutional and prejudice. Stop expressing your religious thoughts, there is a difference of expressing your oppinion then there is at expressing your religion. Not all religions have a Heaven and Hell. Just STFU before you get banned!

[ilovellamas]

that someone would say that....to you...i'm very sorry....Christians can be so hypocritical and ridiculous...i am the first to admit that.....but how am i forcing you? i am not taking a gun out and saying read this...do this...i'm just saying if you(not just you..me everyone) is tired of getting loaded...cutting themselves....popping pills...going through life on a meaningless and grievous journey..maybe there is something else out there...??

Listen, you are not FORCING anyone to do anything. But you are being a typical manipulative Christian. With your "I'm against religion but for a relationship with God". Do you not know what religion is? it's a "relationship" or belief in a supernatural being. You are religious, and you're using manipulative tactics to try to stick your religion on people. I grew up as a Christian, and have spent most of my life around a lot of Christians... I can smell your shit from a mile away. I do NOT care if you're a Christian, I respect people who are religious. But you, sir, bring a bad name to Christians everywhere.

Okay you got me going. Christians are the most self-centered people I know. How dare you say that people who aren't Christian get loaded, pop pills, and cut themselves?? The best people I have ever met in my life have been agnostic and atheist. Why? Because Christians are good people for personal gain. They do good things so that they are good in God's book and will go to heaven. Agnostics and Atheists are good people out of the kindness of their hearts. They do it because they like to help people- NOT so they can get to heaven. Therefore, you are hypocritical, and stop judging people based on religion. That gives you negative points toward being a good person.

I bet you hate gays, too. Dick.

[NDM1]

I'm going with Haveyouever? on this one. I too have thought there has been small connections with the offspring's lyrics and god. That's just my thoughts though.

[That_Guy91]

MxPx isn't a Christian band. They don't promote their religion in their songs. I've seen them live twice and haven't heard them say a single thing about God or religious related.
May I quote from their website's FAQ:
Ok, fine. I'm not even a big fan, i'm just saying what i've heard.

[ilovellamas]

oh, and relient k is a christian poppunk band.

[SplinterByMyOwnDesign]

You are such an intolerant ass.....

Ó meu ganda anormal, é esse tipo de merdas ke faz com ke os ramalah's andem paí a aviar bombas no ppl....

Fuck you fuckers, i lost my best friend over that fucking religion not long ago, i have no respect for it now.

[ilovellamas]

how did you lose a friend because of Christianity?

[SplinterByMyOwnDesign]

It's a long story which i choose not to explain in this thread... either way, The Offspring will never be Christian Rock.

[offspringdude17]

STUDID DUMBSHIT GODDAM MOTHERFUCKER

SMELL'S LIKE SHIT GODDAMN

and i hate church

[offspringer24]

most of the lyrics are about women being in and out of love and feeling empty when u dont have the girl u want
dexter is sex mad not a bible basher

[Fspring]

Fuck you fuckers, i lost my best friend over that fucking religion not long ago, i have no respect for it now.


I never thought of having this conversation here, but you see, what i wrote in portuguese is that it's because of sentences like that that the muslims do bombings, were responsible for the 9/11, the 3/11 in madrid and the bombing in london.... and they say it's because of god.... The bad thing here it's not being a christain or a muslim ro whatever... the bad thing is being intolerant towards other people and not be able to see that we are all different. Second, categorizing people it's the first way to prejudice... I mean, there are a lot of different people among muslims, and among christains, jewish, etc... Some take their religion seriously, some dont, some are intolerants, some are asses... That's normal. What I don't see is why we should react so adverse to someone who says "I'm from some religion", just because of the fact he is from that religion!

As to conversions, except for some cases where they are forceful, like the muslims try to do in their countries, they are because people find something or other in a religion that makes sense... not just because someone says "you must be whatever..."

Third... I don't really think the offspring are christain or have any christain meaning in their lyrics, but that's just my view...

[Punkette]

this is so stupid :D what a bible bashing freak :D :D

[H1T_That]

this is so stupid :D what a bible bashing freak :D :D

how old are you?

mentally, not physically.

[Little_Miss_1565]

Well...using Derrida's theoretical framework, one can make anything mean practically anything but what it was originally intended to mean.

/English major

[Nineteen Seventy Nine]

My dad says the Offspring worship the devil.

[haveyouever?]

after reading the replies to this post...this is what i feel:

"have you ever buried your face in your hands because no one around you understands or has the slightest idea what it is that makes you be?"

i love*sarcasm* how "different" opinions and thoughts get discounted into things like you just want us to go to church...your an idiot...anyways i love you guys

stay up

[Camilamazed]

Nah... I don't believe the songs are religion related.

[barangatang]

I really don't think any punk rock bands are Christian bands.

Christian bands don't use profanity.

Yeah man, your not a tru punk until you start swearing. And a band that doesn't use profanity are definitely not "punk"

[ilovellamas]

I definitely don't think that cussing makes a band punk...

[barangatang]

I definitely don't think that cussing makes a band punk...

Of course it doesn't. Any one who thinks otherwise is a complete and total idiot.



ps. In case you lack gathering skills, i was being sarcastic.

[DeAtHsTaR]

My dad says the Offspring worship the devil.

Haha why's he say that?

[SplinterByMyOwnDesign]

My dad says the Offspring worship the devil.

I think he was joking? was it a joke?

[offspring_freak_3]

hmmm........... what???

[T-6005]

Greg K is Marilyn Manson's gay lover on the side. Therefore - the Offspring are not Christian.

[Vera]

I have to counter your post because it's always been evident to me who the Offspring vouch for. Their lyrics are, with a few exceptions, words to the Devil, dedicated to the Devil, written in inspiration to the Devil, from the love of the Devil etc. Chaos be to You, St. Lucifer!!

Anyway, I will take a few example lyrics and interpret them to prove you that the Offspring clearly worship Satan with their lyrics and believe in the word of the Black Bible.

666!!!

First a subtle hint,

something's odd / I feel like I'm God - Bad Habit

This is exactly what made Lucifer turn away from the God... these exact emotions... depicted in this wonderful song.. it tells me Dexter understands, he knows.. he's not one of the numb-minded Christians still struggling to realize that the truth lies on the other side... the SATANIC side... like in Star Wars, only better... and with blood.

by the way / I know your path has been tried and so / it may seem like the way to go / me, I'd rather be found / trying something new - Meaning of Life

This whole song.. so evident, it represents a different lifestyle.. instead of living a moral, Christian life, worshipping God and Jesus... turn to the face of the REAL saviour, the lover of TRUTH, Satanus... Christianity is so medieval!!! Do something new... be punk... punk is all about loving and worshipping the Devil, Satan Almighty.

it's cool to hate / it's cool to hate - Cool To Hate

SATAN THOUGHT SO TOO DAMMIt

When will the world / listen to reason / I have a feeling it'll be a long time / when will the truth / come into season / I have a feeling it'll be a long time - It'll be a Long Time

Saying Devil... is the truth... if you deny this, you're stupid... it's so clear and evident... but it'll be a long time ... SEEK SALVATION IN DEVIL TODAY!!! (Discount now!)

LAST BUT NOT LEAST!!!

Come full fill the prophecy
With our demons of debauchery
As virgins and spectres sing
This madness will never cease - Demons

That's right... DEMONS.. Not Angels... Not Jesuses... Not Saints.. DEMONS. DEMONS DEMONS DEMONS.. Satan's demons... it's clearer than ever.. the true way of being.. Dexter knows it I know it... LUCIFER commands you...

And let's face it.. Cool To Hate, Genocide, Beheaded, singing about sex and girls (She's Got Issues) and drugs (Mota, Worst Hangover Ever), immoral acts (Pretty Fly), and most importantly, DEATH and political rage (Kill The President), how could anyone assume the Offspring have a relationship with God?

There is no way their music could be secular, ironic, written to convey messages of feelings and portray emotions... No, I think Dexter writes with his blood and his blood is drawn to Satan.

Please.. Don't hate me because I'm evil.. Hate me because I'm right..

Disclaimer: It's a parody. Not too funny, I admit, but had to be done despite.

[Little_Miss_1565]

Hail Satan!

[Hypodermic_89]

hail Captain Caveman!

[forcyn]

Do I believe that the Offspring is a Christian Band? No I certainly don't.... however in loving their music and listening to their gripping lyrics throughout the years it is evident that they are on a quest for meaning...and boy are they close to the TRUTH...that God is the only answer...in an effort to establish this "theory" i will go to the Offspring "gospel" and talk some lyrics...

***disclaimer...i obviously do not know what was going through dexters head when he was writing these songs..and am perhaps taking the words out of context..but just for a moment bear with me***

"There was a time, looking through myself
Wanting to pretend
If I escaped, I could fill myself
I don‘t think you can
Been far and wide
But that hole inside
Never really leaves
When I went away, what I really left
Left behind was me"
sounds as if the world has been searched for meaning, that drunken party, that "true love", that killer wave, but all these things left was emptiness

"Have you ever felt like there was more
Like someone else was keeping score
And what could make you whole was simply out of reach

the answer to these lyrics is yes, we all have felt this way, because there is something more, if you really search yourself....you know God to be true...would you give Him a chance?

And when you know you can‘t relate
To one more shiny face
Your heart breaks
No one cares
And when you know you can‘t go on
Cause everything is wrong
Your heart breaks
But no one‘s there
boy that is some straight up truth...look around at this world and the moral decline..values are nonexistent...people fail us...friends, family mess up......but there is someone there..the only one who can make us whole....guess who? :) stop the heartbreak and give your heart to Him

All I want
All I need
Always lies just out of reach
I‘ve been coming up empty

I‘ve run as fast
As I can run
I‘ve pushed as hard as anyone
Still there‘s nothing for me
wow..so often do we strive and try hard to do the right things even, but it doesnt matter if we dont have the right motives, we can run we can hide but the truth will not escape us, that is why our lives our miserable because we refuse to accept the love of God

All along
I think I really knew
It was there in the words unspoken
All along
Still believed in you
Now I stand here betrayed and broken

Close my eyes from the burning
All along all the while it‘s true
Take it on, or turn your back
Either way, you can‘t escape it
i just love these lyrics they basically spell out everything i've said unto this point, i believe with my heart that the YOU in these lyrics is about God....almost every American has heard the gospel message and we are left with a choice to accept the love or refuse and go on feeling betrayed and broken...which do you prefer?

Every single day, what you say
Makes no sense to me
Letting you inside isn‘t right
Cause you‘ll mess with me
I never really know
What‘s really going inside you
I can‘t get my head around you
i will end this extremely long post with these lyrics...the reason why we are scared and run from God is just what this says....letting you inside isnt right...you'll mess with me....we know that if we give God a chance we will have to change things in our life and who likes change? no one does..its hard its scary..its unknown....but i urge you....just ask God and see what he does..he is not out to mess with you..he's out to give you a hope and a future to prosper you.....

i could go on and on and fill up 500 pages with lyrics but this is far too long....please forgive me if i come off as holier than thou....i am a horrible person each and everyday of my life....but God's grace is good.....thank you Offspring for your amazing band and inspiration throughout the years..and if you decide to kick me off of your message board i totally understand......

...

AMEN.

...

yeah, you're right, every Offspring song is about GOD!

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[Jojan]

I hate colors.

[T-6005]

SEEK SALVATION IN DEVIL TODAY!!! (Discount now!)

This was the best part.

[offspring_freak_3]

omfg, you guys make me laugh :p

[rlplaymaker]

WOW, this thread just made me realize.......SATANIC PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS............. Star Wars with blood??? wow interesting...

Well listen up Darth and Mr. Christian, neither of you are right......Im a Christian too but i can tell that the Offspring are NOWHERE close to being a Christian band. Plain and simple, and anyone with eyes can see that none of the guys in the band are satanic, thats just retarded. Theyre a punk band, over and done.And unless you know any better, not really involved with God or satan. THats just my two pennies.........

PS MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU

[Emily_offspring_fan]

WOW, this thread just made me realize.......SATANIC PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS............. Star Wars with blood??? wow interesting...

Well listen up Darth and Mr. Christian, neither of you are right......Im a Christian too but i can tell that the Offspring are NOWHERE close to being a Christian band. Plain and simple, and anyone with eyes can see that none of the guys in the band are satanic, thats just retarded. Theyre a punk band, over and done.And unless you know any better, not really involved with God or satan. THats just my two pennies.........

PS MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU

You're totally right. This thread is crazy! :eek:

[TMDGJ]

WOW, this thread just made me realize.......SATANIC PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS............. Star Wars with blood??? wow interesting...

Well listen up Darth and Mr. Christian, neither of you are right......Im a Christian too but i can tell that the Offspring are NOWHERE close to being a Christian band. Plain and simple, and anyone with eyes can see that none of the guys in the band are satanic, thats just retarded. Theyre a punk band, over and done.And unless you know any better, not really involved with God or satan. THats just my two pennies.........

PS MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU

you do know that the post about Offspring being a satanic band was a joke right. It was a parody and a way to show the creator of the thread that you can acknowledge the lyrics that way instead which is just as silly. None of the arguments for being a christian or antichrist-band was any good. But like i said it was a joke, A very good one. Realy perfect parody.

[Jase]

Okay, now while I agree on the fact that people are entitled to interpret lyrics in anyway they want, much the same as you interpret any text differently depending on the context in which you place it, you can't possibly believe that the Offspring purposefully try to promote christianity in their lyrics? I mean just the line from bad habit "something's wrong, feel like I'm God" is being blasphemous according to christian values. Another point, and I realise you weren't saying the offspring are a christian band but just for future reference, you CANNOT have a christian PUNK band. Sure you can play music in the vein of punk rock, by which I mean the simple blasting out of power chords which is at the heart of every punk rock song, but the minute you start trying to promote christian values you're moving away from what punk actually means. Punk is an expression of indiviuality, granted the number of so-called "pop-punk" rock bands around these days ie. Good Charlotte, Simple Plan etc etc. that all sound exactly the same is pretty rediculous, I think most people would agree with the opinion that they're not really punk either, especially considering the amount of songs they produce whining about how sad and misserable their lives are which makes them seem more emo at times than punk. Punk, at it's roots isn't just music, it's a style of life, one in which you go against the norm, resist societies attempts at forcing their hegemony upon you. Christianity is the opposite of this... Once you try to put punk and christianity together you destroy the whole idea of punk, effectively cancelling out any relation to punk there is other than the simple style of music. Anyway, this is just my opinion, you can all disagree with it if you want, I don't really care I just felt I had to say something.

P.S. Vera... that was hillarious

[Hypodermic_89]

This thread deserves to die.. Or at least get injured.

[no_way]

isn't noodles jewish?


jewish people believe in God what they don't believe in is in Jesus Maria and that crap

anyway, we can be sure that in the lyrics they mantion the word "God" lotsa times, so it might barely have sth to do

"but you can't kill a man when he's got no hope,
you can't kill a man when he's...-- GOD HELP ME!!!"

"i did not choose this God Dammit
i don't really know, what i wanna say, i can't afford to throw, God make it go away now"

......... i don't wanna search for more but i'm sure there's still some others.

i know people say that sometime uncontiously but these are songs, dexter wrote them and they must have practised it like hundreds of times so you can't say that came out spontainously.

doesn't matter offspring is still a damn awesome band!!!!

[crrrN]

Christian bands are not allowed to play with distorted guitars.

[brothadave79]

Punk, at it's roots isn't just music, it's a style of life, one in which you go against the norm, resist societies attempts at forcing their hegemony upon you. Christianity is the opposite of this... Once you try to put punk and christianity together you destroy the whole idea of punk, effectively cancelling out any relation to punk there is other than the simple style of music. Anyway, this is just my opinion, you can all disagree with it if you want, I don't really care I just felt I had to say something.

I disagree. Punk isn't about being contrarian in every way. And as far as norms go, punk establishes its own norms. When it does that, isn't the "punk lifestyle" just forcing a new hegemony of behavior upon a person? There aren't any rules to being punk - that would defeat the whole purpose. Punk is defined by its lack of definition. It says not to accept things just because that is what you've been told. Follow your own convictions, even if they conflict with the ones of those around you. If one of those convictions happens to be religion then so be it.

[Rutegard]

I disagree. Punk isn't about being contrarian in every way. And as far as norms go, punk establishes its own norms. When it does that, isn't the "punk lifestyle" just forcing a new hegemony of behavior upon a person? There aren't any rules to being punk - that would defeat the whole purpose. Punk is defined by its lack of definition. It says not to accept things just because that is what you've been told. Follow your own convictions, even if they conflict with the ones of those around you. If one of those convictions happens to be religion then so be it.


ohyeah
there you go :D awesome

[Rutegard]

and i remember...of dexter saying...bout mission from god...that they were "afraid" of puting it out that time cause he didn't want people to think they were religious...but he also said something like this...we weren't religious THAT TIME...don't know if now they are.....and can't remember where i hear it but i'm sure you guys hear it too

[SaiKYoU]

Christian bands are not allowed to play with distorted guitars.
omg, is that really true??! :D

[Little_Miss_1565]

I disagree. Punk isn't about being contrarian in every way. And as far as norms go, punk establishes its own norms. When it does that, isn't the "punk lifestyle" just forcing a new hegemony of behavior upon a person? There aren't any rules to being punk - that would defeat the whole purpose. Punk is defined by its lack of definition. It says not to accept things just because that is what you've been told. Follow your own convictions, even if they conflict with the ones of those around you. If one of those convictions happens to be religion then so be it.

No, punk is a counterculture--or rather, was, since it really doesn't exist anymore and what you're describing is what is sometimes now called punk but really isn't at all. In real, actual, authentic punk from the late 70's, it was all about bucking the system, and one of the biggest systems of all other than government was religion. Sid Vicious rolls in his grave every time someone says that Christianity and punk are not necessarily uncombinable, because they really are.

[brothadave79]

No, punk is a counterculture--or rather, was, since it really doesn't exist anymore and what you're describing is what is sometimes now called punk but really isn't at all. In real, actual, authentic punk from the late 70's, it was all about bucking the system, and one of the biggest systems of all other than government was religion. Sid Vicious rolls in his grave every time someone says that Christianity and punk are not necessarily uncombinable, because they really are.


What I described may not be true punk, but I think it makes more sense. I have a real problem with an ideology that tells you to cast off current systems because they are constraining while forming its own restrictive mores. It's the height of hypocrisy, and unfortunately many countercultures embrace such contradictory ideas. So maybe you're right. Maybe it's not punk. But if you ask me, shunning one master for another still leaves you a servant.

[wheelchairman]

Sid Vicious was a member of the first boyband. What a douche.

[no_way]

let's just call punk as what everyone of you thinks punk is ok???

yeah i also want to know if it's true that when you're christian they doesn't let you play with distorted guitars i do't think that......... at least in my school every year there's a band that plays with distorted guitars.... they seemed alright with it.... maybe inmy country it is allowed

[Rutegard]

Christian bands are not allowed to play with distorted guitars.

LOLOLOLOL
yeah right

[brothadave79]

They're also not allowed to use electrical lighting. That's why all their concerts are outdoors.

[rlplaymaker]

WOW! I really can't believe that the creator of this thread took so much heat for expressing his opinion. You little Atheists are being total dickheads to this guy for trying to get his point across, which believe it or not, IS WHAT A FORUM IS ALL ABOUT!!! I'm a Christian myself and we don't give Atheists crap about what they believe in so DONT GIVE US CRAP ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE IN!!!! But no, I dont believe the Offspring are a Christian band.

[Nood!es]

Christian bands are not allowed to play with distorted guitars.
Ever heard of POD? Underoath? Zao?

[rlplaymaker]

I really don't think any punk rock bands are Christian bands.

Christian bands don't use profanity.


do you honestly still concider the Offspring a Punk band? not since Ixnay in my eyes.......

[crrrN]

omg, is that really true??! :D
Yee it'd be true.
God despises distortion.

[Nood!es]

I really hope your being sarcastic...

[Jase]

yeah i also want to know if it's true that when you're christian they doesn't let you play with distorted guitars i do't think that......... at least in my school every year there's a band that plays with distorted guitars.... they seemed alright with it.... maybe inmy country it is allowed


Uh.... I think he was making a joke there, obviously went over alot of people's heads though hahaha.

And brothadave79, you make some good points. I get what you're saying but my point was that it just wouldn't make sense to call a christian band punk because it would be a complete contradiction of what it is to be punk. Punk isn't about forcing people to dress or act in certain ways. That's just a belief that's been brought on because of clothing labels and whatnot trying to profit by selling "punk" clothing to kids so they can go around pretending they're all about punk. It's more about not caring about the rules and the latest trends or whatever. So it just seems to me, having a band that's trying to get a message across to people about a religion, which is all about following rules and a specific lifestyle, doesn't quite fit with what it means to be punk.

[Jim Olejar]

For a christian band to say "you stupid, dumb shit, GOD DAMN, motherfucker!" they must be hardcore. Also I think their writing context fits into the punk genre. You are def wrong about this...

wait wait

Ill bet you will tell us that Bad Religion is Christian Punk too right?

right?
:cool:

[brothadave79]

And brothadave79, you make some good points. I get what you're saying but my point was that it just wouldn't make sense to call a christian band punk because it would be a complete contradiction of what it is to be punk. Punk isn't about forcing people to dress or act in certain ways. That's just a belief that's been brought on because of clothing labels and whatnot trying to profit by selling "punk" clothing to kids so they can go around pretending they're all about punk. It's more about not caring about the rules and the latest trends or whatever. So it just seems to me, having a band that's trying to get a message across to people about a religion, which is all about following rules and a specific lifestyle, doesn't quite fit with what it means to be punk.

Yeah, you're right. Punk does have a message, but it's a political and social one, not religious. A Christian band can play punk-style music, but it still wouldn't be punk. Agreed.

And Jim, if you're referring to the creator of the thread he said in the first sentence of his post:

Do I believe that the Offspring is a Christian Band? No I certainly don't.

[Jim Olejar]

Right never said anything bad about buddy starting the post. Just the theory of the Offspring being a christian band as sstated in the title.

[DeAtHsTaR]

Sid Vicious was a member of the first boyband. What a douche.
The Monkees were the first boy band. I think the Pistols were the second though...

[no_way]

it gets me so sick that lately this PUNK IMAGE is everywhere i look, and people like avril lavigne, hilary duff pink or green day brought them out!!!
there are lots of people in my school saying that they0re punk 'cause they like my chemical romance, good charlotte and green day. all dressed in black... as if they were real punk people... lol!!

[wheelchairman]

The Monkees were the first boy band. I think the Pistols were the second though...
I obviously didn't mean that literally. Jesus.

[Jase]

it gets me so sick that lately this PUNK IMAGE is everywhere i look, and people like avril lavigne, hilary duff pink or green day brought them out!!!
there are lots of people in my school saying that they0re punk 'cause they like my chemical romance, good charlotte and green day. all dressed in black... as if they were real punk people... lol!!

My Chemical Romance is emo not punk :D

[Simon_Yue]

The new NOFX album is religious, just in an athiest kind of way.

[brothadave79]

Atheism is a religion in itself. It takes just as much faith to say there absolutely is no God as it does to say there certainly is.

[Jase]

Atheism is a religion in itself. It takes just as much faith to say there absolutely is no God as it does to say there certainly is.

Atheism isn't a religion. A religion implies some sort of organisation and rules/guidelines/set of morals to follow whereas anyone can be an athiest. Also, i don't think you can say it takes as much faith to believe there isn't a God. I find it very easy to believe there isn't one, I've seen nothing to prove there is.

[German Andres]

The Offspring (best punk rock band)....church....gospel....Christian Band??!!
You gotta be kidding. :cool:
The Offspring rocks

[Vera]

Atheism isn't a religion as much as it is a system of beliefs. As even Jase said

I find it very easy to believe there isn't one

'Believe' is the word of importance here, I believe.

[brothadave79]

True. What I really meant was that it requires just as much faith to say there is no God as it does to say there is. In that way, the religious and atheists are very much alike - as opposed to those who say there may or may not be.

[no_way]

My Chemical Romance is emo not punk :D


well there are people who think it's punk cuz they don't know anything about it. they just see the singer dressed in black and say: oh, sso this is punk music, i am punk!!!