Kemal Mustafa Ataturk is gay

[Sin Studly]

Turkey banned youtube because somebody said this on there. The obvious thing to do now is to say it on every website in existence, and make sure the Turks get banned from the rest of our internet.

[calichix]

you and your schemes..

[Sin Studly]

You only make fun of the 2% of them that don't somehow involve me boning you.

[the_GoDdEsS]

I lolled when I read it this morning. Reminded me of the fletch kids.

[JohnnyNemesis]

Who the fuck is Kemal Mustafa Ataturk, and why are people acting like a world exists outside of the U.S?

[Sin Studly]

Yeah, if my blood nation was named after the Spanish Inquisitors I'd pretend it didn't exist too.

edit ; Is it still considered "white guilt" if you're a beaner?

[killer_queen]

It's Mustafa Kemal, sweetie and you should be killed for saying his names in the wrong order. :mad:

[Sin Studly]

Here's a video of me half-naked and touching myself in a suggestive way. I hope you enjoy, Gulsah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBAMUaT4Ao

[endlesst0m]

When I was younger, I used to LOL at Turkey for it's silly name(LOL THANKSGIVING DINNER!). Now I've grown up, but the LOLing continues for different reasons. What a dumbass reason to ban Youtube.

[HeadAroundU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBAMUaT4Ao
awwwww

Lolz at Turks! Mohammed pwned you!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/HeadAroundU/Jihad.jpg
...and yup, Kemal Mustafa Ataturk is gay!

[Sin Studly]

When I was younger, I used to LOL at Turkey for it's silly name

Did you ever get Hungary for Turkey?

[wheelchairman]

Who the fuck is Kemal Mustafa Ataturk, and why are people acting like a world exists outside of the U.S?

He was the man who brought democracy to Turkey after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. He is also responsible for it's westernisation, and forbid the hajeeb (the head-scarf of muslim women). He's generally well liked by everyone except muslims outside of Turkey.

[Duskygrin]

Per. The man's responsible for Smyrna. And the Greco-Turkish war. The man is anathema.

[H1T_That]

Did you ever get Hungary for Turkey?

I get Hungary For Turkey that is covered in Greece. Afterwards i like to Bangkok.

[the_GoDdEsS]

There were apparently Greeks vs. Turks flame wars on youtube and Greeks called Ataturk gay. I'm sure all of us can imagine a Turkish flame war.

All in all, it's nothing new on Youtube. Serbs fight with Croats, Slovaks fight with Hungarians, Turks fight with...almost everybody?

[calichix]

You only make fun of the 2% of them that don't somehow involve me boning you.

I'm just gonna come out and say it: that made me blush.

[Duskygrin]

Ataturk's not gay, Ataturk's pure evil. It's like calling Hitler a "cheeky boy". I've subscribed to a guy with the Smyrna fire video, I'm gonna watch if anyone I know has taken a part in the "flame war". I'm suddenly intrigued.

[Sin Studly]

I'm just gonna come out and say it: that made me blush.

Where?

I get Hungary For Turkey that is covered in Greece. Afterwards i like to Bangkok.

I prefer Chile on my Turkey.

[Whiplash]

http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/yayin/genelmd/basbakanlik/images/basbakanlar/image001_ataturk.gif

He doesn't look that evil, gay maybe, evil not really. He looks like a bible salesman. ooo snap...i mean koran salesman.

[H1T_That]

Where?



I prefer Chile on my Turkey.

Touche.

I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

[Sin Studly]

Phuket, if you can't think up any more you might as well just France.

[Zeall]

As with all people like this, they always believe that they are the good guys in their eyes, Hitler was trying to create a unified nation, just went his own way about it

[H1T_That]

Phuket, if you can't think up any more you might as well just France.

I guess its because i'm a Niger with small Netherlands i can't think up any more.

[Whiplash]

Your name has to be chad for that or jordan for that matter.and get kicked in your saint kitts and nevis.

Ok that was lame.

[H1T_That]

Your name has to be chad for that or jordan for that matter.and get kicked in your saint kitts and nevis.

Ok that was lame.

Stop being a Virginia.

[Duskygrin]

I can't believe Atatürk was born in the same town as my father. I'm too ill to think atm... oh wait... at that time the town (Thessaloniki) must have been part of the Ottoman empire...

whatever... I'm straying. Point is, mustafa is responsible for ethnic cleansing. Greeks in Asia Minor were depleted but the hundred of thousand. That's where I come from. I mean, my father's family is pontiac (black sea). Because Greece isn't just this teeny mountainous country at the far-end of the Balkans. Great Greece comprised the south of italy & parts of asia minor, all the sides next to the aegean sea. When our prime minister venizelos wanted to recover the greek grounds in asia minor, where now turkey is, he did so out of a wish of irredentism, so that all greeks living in those areas could be incorporated in great greece. however, atatürk thought differently, & then came the greco turkish war. turks won & there was this exchange of population, 1.2 million in Smyrna either burnt with the burning of the city or came to greece, in exchange for 500,000 muslims in greece that went to turkey. But turks didn't stop there. As I said Greeks are everywhere, & Great Greece is an idea (the Megali Idea, or "grand idea") that took a lot of space. In 1955 (atatürk was long dead) the turks committed a pogrom in constantinople (or istanbul if you wish). destroying schools, desecrating cemeteries & killing the greek community that still lived there. once more filming of the atrocities was banned so what remains is illegal footage, sometimes hidden in graves.

If atatürk truly means "father of turks", it certainly is no compliment to the nation.

There might be mistakes in what I wrote, I'm ill & find it difficult to type correctly.

[killer_queen]

Bull-shit. Sometimes you're being too...Greek, Maria.

[wheelchairman]

There is nothing more annoying than Greeks arguing about history. They just go on about how all countries are part of Greece. Like anybody pays attention.

[Duskygrin]

there ain't one single word that says more than it ought to. there ain't one single lie in what I said. it's all the things that happened, which I know from my father & his family. all my greek friends could tell you the same, I didn't set out to invent history.

[wheelchairman]

Then fucking source it instead of giving me a self-righteous speech...

[killer_queen]

Well, my family and all of my turkish friends can tell the opposite of what you said. That doesn't prove anything. I've never said that we were/are the loveliest creatures in the world. But that was, God, even the story of Snow White is more realistic.

[Duskygrin]

I'm sorry? source what? The greco-turkish war? I beg your pardon? It's on any historical site mentioning greek contemporary history. It's on wiki I dare say.

The istanbul pogrom? It's here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A0t1l0yGY8). With turks begging for forgiveness.

My family originally comes from trebizond I think. far out on the black sea. So obviously greece extended that far at some point. Then when it fell in turkish hands they emigrated to the north of the black sea. Greek communities were dispersed all over. That's where the Pontic Greek language comes from, my grandma speaks that.
After that we resettled in northern greece which explains why my father was born in thessaloniki...
If you have no clue how greece extended itself fucking check your classics, I'm not going to baby sit you. Greece only survived because it was the metropolis from which worthy sailors sailed the seven seas. They founded Marseille in France. Marseille is a greek city. If you don't believe me, wiki it. They founded cities all over & survived that way. I'd thank you to be polite I can ill-endure my words being doubted when you have no notion of history at all, apparently.

[H1T_That]

I hate historical arguments.

Why can't you just, ya know...put it behind you.

[wheelchairman]

A video on youtube is obviously not a credible source by any means...what next, wikipedia?

[Duskygrin]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom) be it.

Istanbul pogrom in 1955? Never happened.

It's behind me. Smyrna is. But apparently it's not behind everybody. What with greeks calling atatürk gay... it's mostly to do with turks claiming that GREEKS did the ethnic cleansing. If at least they recognized it, but no, they have to deny it.

[wheelchairman]

For one thing, I just said wikipedia is not a credible source. The credible sources, if any, would be at the bottom of the wiki page...

For another thing how is this relevant at all to Ataturk? Yeah it's not...at all. This is just you being a whiney greek because someone is talking about an enemy of Greece. Next thing we'll have a Macedonian talk about their country, and you'll whine about stolen history....

[Duskygrin]

Whatever. I already said Atatürk as the leader of the turks is responsible for what happened in smyrna. I stand by it.

Mustafa Kemal's telegram
As the fire spread in Smyrna, Mustafa Kemal, Commander in Chief of Turkish armies sent the following telegram about the events in the city.

FROM COMMANDER IN CHIEF GAZI MUSTAFA KEMAL PASHA TO THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS YUSUF KEMAL BEY

Tel. 17.9.38 (1922) (Arrived 4.10.38)

To be transmitted with care. Important and urgent.

Find hereunder the instruction I sent to Hamid Bey with Admiral Dumesmil, who left for İstanbul today.

Commander-In-Chief Mustafa KEMAL

Copy To Hamid Bey,

1. It is necessary to comment on the fire in İzmir for future reference.

Our army took all the necessary measures to protect İzmir from accidents, before entering the city. However, the Greeks and the Armenians, with their pre-arranged plans have decided to destroy İzmir. Speeches made by Hrisostomos at the churches have been heard by the Moslems, the burning of İzmir was defined as a religious duty. The destruction was accomplished by this organization. To confirm this, there are many documents and eyewitness accounts. Our soldiers worked with everything that they have to put out the fires. Those who attribute this to our soldiers may come to İzmir personally and see the situation. However, for a job like this, an official investigation is out of the question. The newspaper correspondents of various nationalities presently in İzmir are already executing this duty. The Christian population is treated with good care and the refugees are being returned to their places.[9]

Despite the telegram, the fire could not be contained and much of the city was destroyed. Furthermore, the fact that Atatürk explicitly stated that there should be no official investigation leads many Greeks and Armenians to speculate that he wanted to cover up the actions of the Turkish military in Smyrna. A larger picture portrays a Mustafa Kemal Pasha already focused on the Straits (Chanak Crisis), İstanbul and Thrace, in his title of Commander-in-Chief, and even further ahead, on the foundation of the Republic and the reforms he wanted to carry out, rather than the affairs of İzmir.

To the Commander of the Central Corps. I call your attention to the following: Death to the Hellenes who lack honour. As soon as you are given the first sign, immediately destroy all. As for whatever regarding the women, don't hesitate. Don't consider neither honour nor friendship when comes the moment of revenge. The commander of the corps Mehmet Azit.[10]

Regardless, Atatürk was not on the scene at the time of the fire, as the Turkish forces were being led by Nureddin Pasha who gave conflicting orders that all of his troops should kill "four or five Greeks or Armenians." [11]

It happened. As horrible, inhuman as it sounds, it happened. I'm off, digest that. & never call me a liar again, pathetic mollusc.

[wheelchairman]

Then fucking source it. Your source in wiki is to an event that happened in the 50's. I didn't call you a liar. I said fucking source it, you insane witch.

[JohnnyNemesis]

Whatever.

Truly the response of a winner.

[Duskygrin]

here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Smyrna)

there's just about everything. greek sources. armenian sources. turkish sources. "on the quai at smyrna" by hemingway. all you could dream of, & more; there are bottom links. you're not a baby, you can do the research. I, at least, have "backed up" my contention. If it needed any backing up. I've also read "the black bible" a compendium of the victims' testimonies & archive research.

Believe who will. As hit-that said, better leave it behind.

[wheelchairman]

Maria how is it Ataturk's fault, is the question at hand. I mean damn him for being born in that house...

Also it would never be my responsibility to back up your version of history. That's ridiculous....

[Duskygrin]

My version of history?

yeah (http://www.greecetravel.com/smyrna/)

Ataturk did wonderful things for his country, & his people. He downplayed Islam, he westernized, modernized the nation. But he was also the perpetrator (on the logic of who is responsible is also guilty) of the finishing touch of the Armenian & Hellene genocide by wiping them out of Anatolia in 1922. Let bygones be bygones?

[killer_queen]

Oh well... I think I'm smart enough to stay away from the arguments that I know nothing about. But since every source I've found and everyone I trust about their knowledge in history had told me the exact opposite of what you claim to be true, it's kind of hard for me to believe. Plus, I've never found wiki or any kind of websites on the internet about history trustworthy so I hope you can understand why I don't believe Atatürk was an ivil man who was trying to get revenge.

[killer_queen]

Oh and, Justin, you look fucking fuckable in pink PJs.

[JohnnyNemesis]

Oh well... I think I'm smart enough to stay away from the arguments that I know nothing about.

And this is where you differ from Maria.

[Duskygrin]

No probs, Gülsah. Props to you for defending your number one leader. Just one little advice, though. Hopefully you'll live long, may God bless your years & all that. Just don't forget what I said, put it, say in one corner of your brains, for years to come. It's always good to hear differing opinions, & diverging views. It may not be very pleasant, & as I said, believe who will. I put open sources, seconded by the new york times, on my last link. Still, believe who will. At least, you gave a listen to it. What may come of it in years hence, I cannot tell. But thanks.

[killer_queen]

Of course. That's what I always do. I don't know if I told you before but this is one of those reasons I like you. Although they sound fucking crazy or weird sometimes (no offense) you always have different ideas. You think Carroll wasn't a pedo, Sade was a nice, lovely guy, tintin was a nazi, a fag and a pedo. And I, personally find it very entartaining. It'd be boring as hell if everyone had the same opinions as mines.