Alec Baldwin lashes out.

[neocon58]

Good stuff

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/soundslide/baldwin/index.html

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[Grabbal]

That was so close to being scary.

[khaaaaan]

What a jerk. Srsly. Poor kid.



Lol, first wrote poo kid and almost hit submit.

[wheelchairman]

I don't think he did anything particularly wrong. He might've been a little too angry and should've toned down on the cursing. But kids need some discipline, especially spoiled ones.

[T-6005]

If his daughter is a spoiled brat, and repeatedly doesn't do as he tells her, there's no reason he shouldn't feel extremely disappointed in her.

[H1T_That]

Arec Bardwin

[Mannen som blev en gris]

Her name is Ireland?!

[Grabbal]

Her name is Ireland?!

Unessesary question, but yeah.

[mrconeman]

I'm all for a child having a healthy amount of dicispline, but he really should have toned down quite a bit. I mean, it seems as though all shes done is miss a few phone calls. A little over-board there.

I also don't think it's justified to just insult people in your disipline, becuase if anything thats just going to have the opposite effect.

[Little_Miss_1565]

There's a million reasons to miss a cell phone call. Even if the kid is a brat who's been spoiled rotten, to call it "an insult" that he got voicemail when he tried to call is ridiculous. Plus, if he's going to insult her mother--the custodial parent--so quickly and easily on this message, if he does it all the time in conversation of course it's going to alienate a young kid. I wouldn't want to talk to him, either.

[Sin Studly]

I don't see how his phone message is any more abusive than naming her Ireland.

[Endymion]

i agree with per. he could have scaled down the insults and swearing, but the general tone of the message wasn't particularly out of line for a parent disciplining a child.

[The Talking Pie]

Good for him. Fucking children never appreciate what the shit they pull does to their parents' or teachers' mental well-being.

[neocon58]

I reckon he went a bit overboard, but nonetheless, not THAT far overboard.

But isn't he in the middle of a custody hearing? He can kiss any chance of custody fucking goodbye IMO.

[ZagmenO]

Oh. She forgot to pick up the phone a few times. Geez. What a jackass!

[T-6005]

I reckon he went a bit overboard, but nonetheless, not THAT far overboard.

But isn't he in the middle of a custody hearing? He can kiss any chance of custody fucking goodbye IMO.
Because people are so irrational. Obviously this message would be the one that gets out, and it being Hollywood blows it far out of proportion - not to mention that I was watching the news report it and they took out the parts that could be easily tailored to make him into an absolutely abusive asshole and played those exclusively on repeat.

[Lodat225]

I don't think he did anything particularly wrong. He might've been a little too angry and should've toned down on the cursing. But kids need some discipline, especially spoiled ones.

Yeah? What about the threats? He was threating her to get ready that he was going to do something to her.

And I doubt it's to give her a reprimanding.

[Revolver-2005?]

Oh no, he's angry at his daughter and telling her how disappointed he is in her.

Seriously like our parents haven't given us a similar speech in our lives, although it is agreed that he could have chosen his words more carefully, I don't see anything really wrong. It wasn't that bad.

[Apathy]

Put yourself in his shoes. I don't know any backround on the situation, but what I drew from the message was that the kid lives with her mom and He only gets so much time to see her, and his only other contact with his own child is phone calls. So naturally, when he is denied access to the phone calls, he's going to be upset.

He shouldn't have sworn or blamed the girl that much, but I do think he definitely has a right to be upset and/or disappointed with his daughter.

[Sin Studly]

Why is nobody focusing on the fact that he willingly named his child "Ireland"???

[the_GoDdEsS]

I don't know, some of his arguments sounded to me as if it was somebody talking to an adult woman and not an 11 year old. It's still funny it leaked into the media.

Giving your kids names like that, because all others are probably too ordinary or whatever the hell is wrong with parents, reminds me of Gypsies here naming their kids after the heroes in telenovelas they watch. Juan, Manuela etc.

[Duskygrin]

Hahaha "you have insulted me for the last time".

Who's this guy? He's hilarious.

I think he's insulting Kim Basinger by proxy btw. To say he's got some big issues would be putting it mildly.

[wheelchairman]

Yeah? What about the threats? He was threating her to get ready that he was going to do something to her.

And I doubt it's to give her a reprimanding.
You don't have a clue to what it could be. It could just be a stern talking to, for all you know.

[Sin Studly]

The girl's name is fucking Ireland. What's the worst he can threaten her with? "Miss another phone call and we'll change your name to Turkey, young lady!"

Obviously the guy is an abusive freak.

[Vera]

I don't know, some of his arguments sounded to me as if it was somebody talking to an adult woman and not an 11 year old. It's still funny it leaked into the media.

My thoughts exactly.

It sucks when you call somebody over and over and over again and they just NEVER pick up. I had a friend who didn't manage to return a single call, SMS or e-mail for like over a month because she was busy. Yeah, I was pissed, but I understood her reasons for it, and she did eventually call me.

This girl may be the worst spoiled brat in the WORLD but "I can't believe you don't have the human decency" and "you have insulted me for the last time" and "you made me look like a fool" and calling her a PIG, twice? WTF WTF WTF.

Over-reaction like WHOAH, and this girl being friggin' eleven and his DAUGHTER.. He doesn't sound like an angry father disciplining his daughter, he sounds like a maniac ranting at a kid. No wonder she doesn't take his fucking calls.

AND he named her Ireland.

[khaaaaan]

You don't have a clue to what it could be. It could just be a stern talking to, for all you know.

I am gonna get on a plane or I am gonna come out there for the day and I'm gonna straighten your ass out when I see you, do you understand me? I'm gonna really make sure you get it.
and
Then I'm gonna get on a plane and I'm gonna turn around and I'm gonna come home. So you better be ready Friday, the 20th, to meet with me so I'm gonna let you know just how I feel about what a rude little pig you really are. You are a rude thoughtless little pig, okay."


Doesn't sound like stern talking to me.

[nieh]

You forgot:

and come the night of Wrestlemania, you and me, brother, we're gonna meet in ring and I'm gonna barbecue your ass like the little pig you are.

[Vera]

Makes me wonder if it could be fake, actually.

[khaaaaan]

Today he apologized on his website. It's not fake.

[Lodat225]

You don't have a clue to what it could be. It could just be a stern talking to, for all you know.

Oh yeah. He's going to turn his plane around for some stern talking, alright. She better be ready for some stern talking!

[wheelchairman]

and


Doesn't sound like stern talking to me.

Yes it does. That's exactly the way parents who are going to punish their kids talk. And by punish, I mean in the form of a stern talking too. He might ground her or something as well, but I don't know if he has that right.

This is so ordinary it's unbelievable that people are overreacting. He's just a dad acting the way he should with a disrepectul child. What should he do? "Oh I'm sorry your too busy to talk to me. I'll try again next month okay sweetie?" "Oh our agreements don't truly matter, I might just be your father and a continent away, but I don't really mind. Have fun with your mother!".

It's so obvious that all he means is a stern talking to, and this is true if you've ever had your parents say "We're gonna talk about this later."

[khaaaaan]

I have never heard a parent talk like that to a child. Never. I hope you haven't either Per.

[wheelchairman]

Don't be so over dramatic. I really don't see the problem. He probably shouldn't have called her a "pig". But otherwise there seems to me to be nothing wrong with this. And it certainly doesn't seem to be hinting to him beating her. I know you were never disciplined Phil, but aside from the cursing, he's not doing anything particularly wrong. This isn't abuse.

[khaaaaan]

I'm sorry, what do you mean I was never disciplined?

[wheelchairman]

I don't know. You said it, I just said it the second time.

[T-6005]

I'm with Per on this one - the Hollywood fetish is blowing this entire thing way out of proportion.

[khaaaaan]

I don't know. You said it, I just said it the second time.

When did I say I was never disciplined?:confused:

[Sin Studly]

HE FUCKING NAMED HER IRELAND!

Am I the only fucking person in the world to be appalled by this?

[Thomas]

This is one of the reasons I hate Hollywood. These ridiculous "scandals" are always being blown out of proportion when there are other things at hand that actually matter. Hell, he didn't beat her, did he? My Grandma is one of the nicest people around, and she was appalled at how Alec Baldwin is being antagonized so badly for this. Yes, it was mean, but that's tough love. The kid is spoiled. He was doing her a favor. He doesn't deserve to lose custody over this. If anything, her mother should lose custody for not having a backbone.

[Lupin]

HE FUCKING NAMED HER IRELAND!

Am I the only fucking person in the world to be appalled by this?

Heh, maybe she was concieved after a heavy night of guiness drinking between Alec & his 'family.'

Surely the fact he's Alec Baldwin alone, is enough reason to be appalled though.

[ZagmenO]

Well, I heard that the judge took away his visitation rights because of that. And I think that was a completely logical thing to do.

[mrconeman]

Thats a moronic thing to do. Christ, and I thought he over-reacted.

[Lodat225]

Well, who knows what he was going to do when he came back?

A stern talking? The girl better be ready for a stern talking!

[Venom Symbiote]

The kid is spoiled.

Uh, her father's somewhat of a silver-spooned crybaby prone to lashing out psychotically, too.

You two have a point, in that he probably wasn't alluding to coming down there and beating her, but still...you don't curse at an 11 year old and call her a "pig" unless you expect some sort of outrage to come from it.

Don't tell me sane parents use that kind of language in a normal family situation. The kid may have fucked up, but...it's a kid. Things happen.

The guy overreacted, lost his cool, and in a way most parents wouldn't. It's a concern.

[ZagmenO]

^ Totally, dude. All she did was not pick up the phone when he called. There's probably a reason she didn't, too. It's because he probably had a history of babbling like that on & on with "Fucking pig! BLAH BLAH BLAH YACK YACK YACK!" That sorta thing.

[ninthlayer]

If none of your parents talked to you as harshly as Alec did to his daughter I'm going to go ahead and call all of you pussies. Yeah, he yelled and was angry and embarrassed. Boo-hoo, he called her a fucking pig. WHOA, HOLY CHRIST! NOT A PIG!

This shit is so blown out of proportion.

[Venom Symbiote]

Err, don't be dumb. There's a thin line between discipline and abuse, and he crossed it. What's the big fucking deal? Nobody expects the guy to be a saint, and yeah, he screwed up. Fine, life goes on.

But don't mistake giving the guy a break for not recognising he was out of line at all.

Yeah, my parents disciplined me and my siblings, but never hurled abuse at us as 11 year olds. That's just dumb. 15 or something I can understand him flipping out a bit more, the personal responsibility and all you have as a teenager who can think for themselves.

But seriously, Baldwin was just being an immature hissy-fit little bitch here. I don't think he should have custody taken away, though. He should keep whatever rights he had before, but just learn to fucking control himself.

It's bad enough the kid as Arec Baawin as a dad, let alone him verbally attacking her like some ADD middle-schooler. I mean how old is this guy? 50-something?

[Lodat225]

If none of your parents talked to you as harshly as Alec did to his daughter I'm going to go ahead and call all of you pussies. Yeah, he yelled and was angry and embarrassed. Boo-hoo, he called her a fucking pig. WHOA, HOLY CHRIST! NOT A PIG!

This shit is so blown out of proportion.

Yeah, that's fine if you say it to a 16 year old... but to that little girl?

[wheelchairman]

Since when is "pig" hurling abuse. You people are such fucking pussies. If you never made your parents angry then you failed as a child. If you care about this, you fail even worse as a human being.

It's one thing calling a selfish, spoiled girl a "pig". It's another thing to kick her. You're an idiot if you think this is hurling abuse.

[Lodat225]

Since when is "pig" hurling abuse. You people are such fucking pussies. If you never made your parents angry then you failed as a child. If you care about this, you fail even worse as a human being.

It's one thing calling a selfish, spoiled girl a "pig". It's another thing to kick her. You're an idiot if you think this is hurling abuse.

Pig isn't the problem. The way he reacted because SHE DIDN'T PICK UP THE PHONE AND SHE'S 11 is the problem.

[wheelchairman]

So when do you propose a kid should be old enough to be "punished"?

He yelled at her. Boo hoo. If your parents never yelled at you, then they were probably working most of the time. Even the most reasonable vegetarians can lose their tempers at least once. This doesn't make them bad parents.

[SuperKnux]

Eh, Kim Basinger is such a bitch for releasing this stuff. Alec has had to put up with Basinger's bullshit for a long time, he doesn't need it from his daughter.

I liked it when he called her a pig, though. Ha ha.

[PilZ-E]

The way everyone was talking about this I figured he was hysterically yelling profanities or something. It's really not that bad and he doesn't sound like he is going to go beat her or anything. If my father talked to me like that I would just assume he was going to give me a long annoying lecture.

He could have toned down his language a little bit but all in all it really isn't that bad.

[Coleby]

Eleven year olds aren't stupid. They know what they are doing, and they can think for themselves just fine. All of you are acting like that girl can't do anything. Don't you remember when you were young like that? Kids that age can be smart.

He might've been a bit too harsh though.

[Lodat225]

So when do you propose a kid should be old enough to be "punished"?

He yelled at her. Boo hoo. If your parents never yelled at you, then they were probably working most of the time. Even the most reasonable vegetarians can lose their tempers at least once. This doesn't make them bad parents.

He yelled at her for not picking up the phone. She didn't insult him. She didn't hit him.

SHE DIDN'T PICK UP THE PHONE.

[wheelchairman]

He yelled at her for not picking up the phone. She didn't insult him. She didn't hit him.

SHE DIDN'T PICK UP THE PHONE.

Yes, and it was an international call he made to her, which they had agreed to do before hand. And this was a repeat incident. If he yelled at her for just not answering the phone, that's one thing. But now you are just ignoring reality.

[Lodat225]

Yes, and it was an international call he made to her, which they had agreed to do before hand. And this was a repeat incident. If he yelled at her for just not answering the phone, that's one thing. But now you are just ignoring reality.

I'm ignoring reality because a guy is screaming at a small child for not picking up that phone? What does he do to her if she does something worse, huh?

[0r4ng3]

Not picking up the phone for a predetermined international (and therefore expensive) call is completely different than just forgetting/being to busy to pick up the phone one day. The more I think about this story, the more I think that he didn't go overboard.

[Lodat225]

Not picking up the phone for a predetermined international (and therefore expensive) call is completely different than just forgetting/being to busy to pick up the phone one day. The more I think about this story, the more I think that he didn't go overboard.

So? He's rich. Who cares about the international cost. Oh wow! It costs money! He does have money to leave a 3 minute message, though.

Like you don't miss calls without even knowing. She's 11.

[ZagmenO]

He went waaaay overboard. She could not get to the phone is my guess. It happens a lot of the times with a lot of people.

EDIT: Another thing, she could've been busy talking to someone else, so the call couldn't get through. Baldwin did not have to shout.

[Izie]

Were abused in your childhood, Per? You just can't grasp what that poor child went through. Zagmano obviously does, he knows what's the right way to treat kids.

-HP

[JohnnyNemesis]

I was assuming that Lodat was right until I actually listened to the message. It was tame as fuck and I'm actually disgusted that people are making such a big deal out of this shit. Yeah, he was out of line, but not enough to warrant any attention whatsoever.

Also, the fact that he was even serious is almost scary. It sounds so ridiculous that I found myself giggling every now and then.

[Lodat225]

I was assuming that Lodat was right until I actually listened to the message. It was tame as fuck and I'm actually disgusted that people are making such a big deal out of this shit. Yeah, he was out of line, but not enough to warrant any attention whatsoever.

Also, the fact that he was even serious is almost scary. It sounds so ridiculous that I found myself giggling every now and then.

Yeah, the message was fine. I mean, my parent talks to me like that all the time. But you know for what? For crashing the car. For breaking a window. Not for not picking up a phone. Plus, i'm 17. She's 11.

[JohnnyNemesis]

Yeah, but chances are you're a generic rich spoiled white-kid anyway. So is she, I guess, but it explains why y'all are making such a big deal over nothing.

[Lodat225]

Yeah, but chances are you're a generic rich spoiled white-kid anyway. So is she, I guess, but it explains why y'all are making such a big deal over nothing.

I agree it's blown way out of proportion but he should talk to her that way.

[XYlophonetreeZ]

If his daughter was the one who leaked this to the press, then it proves everything he said about her right.

I recall times from my childhood when my dad was harsher on me than that, but each time I had done something much worse than not have my phone turned on, for godssakes. Old Arrec Barwin flipped his shit. I'd say his reaction definitely sounded blown out of proportion, but not half as out of proportion as the voicemail itself in the media. Jesus H. Christ.

[wheelchairman]

Lodat, when I was 17 my parents didn't yell at me. You know...cause they were treating me like a reasonable equal equipped with a sense of responsibility etc. that an 11 might lack.

Vlad, I got yelled at as a kid. :( It was horrible, sometimes it was louder than the music I was listening to. :(

[ilovellamas]

I'm in agreement with those who think this is no big deal. My step father swore at me since I as eight years old. I don't think he was a good father, but that's not because of the swearing... that's due to many other things. I was rather unaffected by him swearing and namecalling. He would do it for things like not doing the dishes, or forgetting to take out the trash, etc. It was much harsher than this message from Baldwin, and it never bothered me. I agree that a lot of people here are being pussies about this. I didn't get anything from it that implied that he's going to hurt her. I read the "this is the last time" thing as being "I'm not going to call you anymore".

And pig?? OMG! PIG! I bet his daughter is scarred for life! Calling her Ireland is worse than calling her pig.

Finally, if she was on the phone with someone else when he called to talk to her, she was blatantly being a dick, because she KNEW he was going to call at that time. PLUS she's done it before in the past. If I was a parent, and was taking time to call my children when I had the time- ESPECIALLY if I barely ever got to see them- I would be extremely hurt of my children didn't make any attempt to talk to me. His daughter did act selfishly, and he has a right to talk to her like that. I don't think the swearing was necessary, and he probably should have done without that, but there was NOTHING terrible about this. There's no way this should be in the media.

[Lodat225]

Finally, if she was on the phone with someone else when he called to talk to her, she was blatantly being a dick, because she KNEW he was going to call at that time. PLUS she's done it before in the past. If I was a parent, and was taking time to call my children when I had the time- ESPECIALLY if I barely ever got to see them- I would be extremely hurt of my children didn't make any attempt to talk to me. His daughter did act selfishly, and he has a right to talk to her like that. I don't think the swearing was necessary, and he probably should have done without that, but there was NOTHING terrible about this. There's no way this should be in the media.

You'll be hurt of your child because she didn't pick up the phone? She probably forgot the guy was going to call her, or she was talking with someone, or her batteries ran out. What Alec should have done is ask the girl (later) why she didn't pick up instead of bashing out on her without even know the reason.

[ilovellamas]

You'll be hurt of your child because she didn't pick up the phone? She probably forgot the guy was going to call her, or she was talking with someone, or her batteries ran out. What Alec should have done is ask the girl (later) why she didn't pick up instead of bashing out on her without even know the reason.

Stop using this "because she didn't pick up the phone" crap. So, you and your spouse divorce. You love your kid a lot, and repeatedly make specific plans to talk on the phone. Your kid knows exactly when you're going to call, and REPEATEDLY "forgets" or "talks with someone else". He CAN'T ask her why she didn't pick up, because she repeatedly doesn't answer. How is supposed to ask her if she won't talk to him?

[Lodat225]

Stop using this "because she didn't pick up the phone" crap. So, you and your spouse divorce. You love your kid a lot, and repeatedly make specific plans to talk on the phone. Your kid knows exactly when you're going to call, and REPEATEDLY "forgets" or "talks with someone else". He CAN'T ask her why she didn't pick up, because she repeatedly doesn't answer. How is supposed to ask her if she won't talk to him?

That's why I said "later". Even if she doesn't pick up... it's just picking up the phone. He freaked out because she hasn't been picking up the phone. if Alec wants to talk to her, he shouldn't act like this. how's that crap? that's the whole point of it all.

[wheelchairman]

It's also a matter of teaching the kid responsibility. You know, something parents do with kids. That's why it was important she did what she agreed she would do. That's why it's important she's chastised for failing to do so.

Not that you know about responsibility.

[Lodat225]

It's also a matter of teaching the kid responsibility. You know, something parents do with kids. That's why it was important she did what she agreed she would do. That's why it's important she's chastised for failing to do so.

Not that you know about responsibility.

Her batteries could've ran out, she could've been talking to somebody, etc. He shouldn't talk to her like that for not picking up the phone. He freaked out.

Not that I know about responsibility? Really? And how would you know that? I mean, you know everything about my life, huh?

[T-6005]

Do some of us have some sort of "I'm not a pussy" callus that others lack?

Because that's the conclusion that reading this thread is taking me to. And I'm Pro-Alec.

[Lodat225]

So you would talk like that to your 11 year old daughter for not picking up the phone?

[wheelchairman]

Her batteries could've ran out, she could've been talking to somebody, etc. He shouldn't talk to her like that for not picking up the phone. He freaked out.

Not that I know about responsibility? Really? And how would you know that? I mean, you know everything about my life, huh?

You don't know anything about responsibility because your actions show you don't. That and a disciplinary figure seems to frighten you.

And they had made an agreement to talk at this time. An agreement they made in advance. She should've checked her batteries, or made told her friend it was time for her to talk with her dad. This is called being responsible, something you obviously don't know.

[HornyPope]

Lodat, are you on meds?

Behavior is just a result of circumstances, and circumstances are unpredictable. It's normal for people to misbehave and snap. What one "shouldnt" do is beyond the point. People snap, you can't control your temper all the fucking time if you happen to be also going through a lot of shit.

[Lodat225]

Oh, he's going to scrape her ass out. He's going to really make sure she gets it. She better be ready.

All that for missing a phone call. I don't even want to know what he does when she does something worst.

You don't know anything about responsibility because your actions show you don't. That and a disciplinary figure seems to frighten you.

And they had made an agreement to talk at this time. An agreement they made in advance. She should've checked her batteries, or made told her friend it was time for her to talk with her dad. This is called being responsible, something you obviously don't know.

a disciplinary figure frightens me? I already stated that i get talked to like that. It's fine when it happens to people that do something bad. Not to an 11 year old who didn't pick up the phone. Oh! And yeah. At home, i whine and spam my house. Yep. I don't act like this with my family and such or i'll get agepwn to the max.

Fine, i'll give you that. She was irresponsible but check what i said at the top of this spot. That's not stern talking. What would he do when she does something worst? Beat her?

Oh and yep. You know i'm irresponsible because I'm an idiot and I spam. Nice one.

Edit : @ HP: That's true. That could be it.

[wheelchairman]

You don't actually believe what you're saying, do you? You're just trying to get a rise out of us.

[0r4ng3]

Why are you ignoring everything except for the simple fact that she "missed a phone call"? It's been said like a thousand times that there's much, much more to it than that. I'm not going to even bother going over it all again.

[wheelchairman]

Sorry thought you were replying to me before.

That is stern talking to. And I honestly have no reason to believe your parents talk to you at all, so don't try using personal life examples. You mention over and over that he's going to beat her. Yet there is no proof of it. More and more people reply with this is average. And more and more it seems like you are just overly sensitive.

[Lodat225]

Why are you ignoring everything except for the simple fact that she "missed a phone call"? It's been said like a thousand times that there's much, much more to it than that. I'm not going to even bother going over it all again.

That's the whole point of the message. I already said that it's fine to talk like that to somebody who deserves it. The media is blowing it out of proportion but he shouldn't have acted like that for that reason.

Edit: WCM, yes I do.

Double Edit: Yep. Scraping her ass is stern talking. MAN. I HOPE SHE BETTER BE READY FOR ANOTHER STERN TALKING.

You have no reason to believe i'm irresponsible either.

[Coleby]

Lodat, once again, being eleven years old changes nothing. I mean, people that age know how to pick up a phone and decipher normal sentences....

[JohnnyNemesis]

Her age and the fact that it's just a missed phone call are both perfectly reasonable things to be included in the discussion, so Lodat is right in mentioning that it's all ridiculous. But as has been shown repeatedly, there is much more to it than that, and I still think people need to stop being such pussies.

I'm not bothered by any of the reactions in here, but the way the article was written disgusts me.

[Jakebert]

The fact that so many people care about this makes me sad.

Srsly, even arguments about what Pokemon is the coolest have more relevance than this.

[wheelchairman]

The fact that so many people care about this makes me sad.

Srsly, even arguments about what Pokemon is the coolest have more relevance than this.

Dig down a bit. This isn't about Alec Baldwin per se. But about what allowances a parent has with regards to their children's discipline.

[Jakebert]

I understand that, but I guess it bugs me that the only reason anyone cares is because it's Arec Bardwrin. More of a personal annoyance, I guess.