True or False

[sKratch]

The BBS is at an unprecedented level of vagination and faggotry.
This doesn't necessarily mean it's an absolute peak of vagination and faggotry, but it is at a uniquely faggoted and vaginated state that has not necessarily been seen before.

Yes or no, and why?

[ZagmenO]

More vagination, less faggotry.

[mrconeman]

I was considering doing this thread, but I feel it will just cause more vagination (due to the arguing that is likely to follow, not the thread idea).

It's happening because of shitty users being shitty, and good users lashing out at them. It takes up any chance of good discussion, and I know I'm guilty of it myself.

[JohnnyNemesis]

High level? Yes. Unprecedented? I'd say no.

[All About Eve]

It's all spring fever, baby.

I haven't been here long enough to see it on a grand scale of things, but it is pretty bad. And I'm sorry; I'll try to better :(

[ZagmenO]

The ultimate solution: People see a post they don't like, they man up about it and keep it to themselves while moving on. You don't see good ol' Zaggarino getting annoyed at things that aren't my business, now do ya? ;);)

[Lodat225]

To whoever complains about me posting too much or spamming too much, i have one thing to tell you:

It's your fault.

[JohnnyNemesis]

Funny how sKratch didn't mention anything about either of you two, yet you assumed the worst.

Megalomanical? Yes.

[ilovellamas]

It's true. Several people are particularly to blame, but a bunch of us others help. Why? No idea. Maybe cause people are finishing school and have free time? But I don't know why you'd spend it here if you just finished school...

edit: lolz @ zagmen and lodat's posts. Zagmen, the thread isn't solely about getting annoyed. It's about all forms of vagination and faggotry.

[Lodat225]

Funny how sKratch didn't mention anything about either of you two, yet you assumed the worst.

Megalomanical? Yes.

I'm not getting defensive or anything. I know he didn't mention us, or even any of you were going to (except for people like llamas). I'm just saying as a general thing.

You give spammers/idiots/trolls attention.

[mrconeman]

The fact that those two named themselves before anyone else did speaks for itself.

[Lodat225]

I'm Lodat. What more do you expect?

Edit: From this day on; I copyright the name Lodat.

[All About Eve]

ISeveral people are particularly to blame,
Quite honestly, you're one of them. You go out of your way to flame, and jump into arguments and refuse to bend most of the time, dragging stuff on more than it needs to be.

So don't go pointing fingers.

[wheelchairman]

Unprecedented or high?

I do not think so. These are the natural reactions to the moderately high level of shit that's been posted. Also some people present on the boards seem to get on everybody's nerves, and yet most people seem too incompetent to put it into words. You all know it.

Are Zag and Lod part of this? I doubt it. I wish people would stop bitching at them. They so obviously thrive off of it. Makes you wonder what kind of idiot bitches at them?

I would also put forth the fact that this is exams time. And everyone who studies is stressed right about now.

[wheelchairman]

Quite honestly, you're one of them. You go out of your way to flame, and jump into arguments and refuse to bend most of the time, dragging stuff on more than it needs to be.

So don't go pointing fingers.
Christ now I look like a hypocrite. Fuck you AAE.

[Little_Miss_1565]

There's just no sense of purpose to anything anymore. I feel like it used to be a community. And it is still, in small sections. But when I ask myself why a lot of the people who are here are here, I have trouble coming up with an answer. I'm at a loss. Idiot-baiting is stupifyingly transparent and really does no one any favors, and yet idiot-baiting is a significant portion of interactions here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not going to pretend the good ol' days had sunshine and rainbows shooting out every orifice, but ragging on certain members has become something people do to show that they are part of the in-crowd. Not to say those certain members haven't made themselves a healthy list of enemies. But for some reason, pursue and engage is the habit on this board instead of ignore and I just don't get it.

[Lodat225]

I was including myself in the "but a bunch of us others help", thankyouverymuch. I really strongly doubt I'm one of the leading instigators of faggotry and vagination here, but whatever. I try to be a decent poster, to contribute to threads and conversation, and to be honest. I'm sorry if I've failed in your eyes.

HAHAHAHAH!

Sorry.

[wheelchairman]

I was including myself in the "but a bunch of us others help", thankyouverymuch. I really strongly doubt I'm one of the leading instigators of faggotry and vagination here, but whatever. I try to be a decent poster, to contribute to threads and conversation, and to be honest. I'm sorry if I've failed in your eyes.

If you blame yourself as part of this, why are you acting all bitchy about him agreeing with you? No one said you are the worst. Although I have noticed that you out of all the articulate people seem to get the most people annoyed.

[Lodat225]

Says a lot, huh?

I love ilovellamas. She's too funny.

[wheelchairman]

I'm not being bitchy, I'm being totally calm. I thought that it was strange/rude that he went off on me about something I'd already said in my post, and for accusing me of "pointing fingers", but I didn't get mad. I was just honest. And yes, I've noticed that people get annoyed by me a lot, too. It's something that always happens to me on the internet. Oh, well.
The whole "thankyouverymuch" and "but whatever" comes off looking bitchy. I'm not saying you aren't calm. Bitchy doesn't mean you aren't calm.

He pointed you out because it looks very much like you didn't include yourself in this list of vagination. And he was quite correct in pointing out that you are always the first to shoot when it comes to correcting people.

People are only annoyed with you because they are too polite to say so until they actually are too annoyed to care anymore. If it's something that keeps you up at night, I could give you some advice.

[Lodat225]

http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/55/Rh_pedobear.jpg

Run!!

[T-6005]

I'd almost agree with some of this. I don't post as much anymore, and when I do it's mostly a matter of form rather than having something to say, which ends up making the entire act of posting something kind of worhtless.

On the whole, though, I just think the BBS is going through a low, and a lot of what used to bring me here is in recession. I keep coming here in the hopes that it'll perk up again.

[All About Eve]

@Llamas: The reason I pointed you out was because you were the one who had posted.

But also: You generally make a big deal out of everything (eg my post), draw more attention, take things more seriously, etc than a lot of people do. Like, instead of the paragraph you wrote, I would have simply said, "Oh I know I'm part of it, but I'm not the only one."

That (at least to me) would have been a much less agressive answer. There are just multiple situations where you (intentionally or not) seem angry or defensive or just greatly involved/interested etc in something and it seems to usually have other people chime in and make it worse and it creates a whole downward spiral of suckiness.

Summarize: Take it easy, go with the flow, back off a bit, and pick your battles better and less often. And no, you're not the only one.



Oh, and this is all just my take on it. If anyone thinks I'm way off base feel free to speak up.

[All About Eve]

I actually didn't say really anything different to what coneman said.
But he also admitted being one, which you didn't.

With your post, I almost did type something like that, but you were rather aggressive in your post to me. Kind of hypocritical to say I should've given a less involved post in response when you weren't exactly simple/relaxed. I mean, had I been you, I would've said, "Just so you know, sometimes I think you're not excluded from that group."
I was blunt and honest, but not agressive. I was simply pointing out, not attacking.

Again, I do take it easy and such. I swear to god, people (particularly here at this bbs) always think I'm angry or worked up when I'm not. When I'm finding myself actually annoyed or bothered, I don't post at all. Or I avoid the thread. But that's rare that I'm ever actually bothered by something online.
Part of it is just the internet. It can be hard to tell how serious someone is, which is why most of overexaggerate most stuff (at least why I do).

One thing that does annoy me as a whole, though, is the number of threads where I've made one comment about something, and suddenly the entire thread becomes an over-analysis of me. :-/
I've only seen that happen once or twice, and it's only when your type of overanalysis doesn't fit the point of the thread.

This kind of proves my point. I was simply stating what I see, and gave some advice, and you disect my post and try to find defensive points for every little thing, instead of just listening and maybe considering what I said. But I'm not turning this into an argument, so I'm stopping now.

[JohnnyNemesis]

There are just multiple situations where you (intentionally or not) seem angry or defensive or just greatly involved

The fact that what followed this was a series of broken down quote posts from both of you made me lol.

[All About Eve]

The fact that what followed this was a series of broken down quote posts from both of you made me lol.
I don't like being misunderstood.

[JohnnyNemesis]

I don't like being misunderstood.

I'm not blaming you, I'm just loling.

[PilZ-E]

So, remember that thing about this forum reaching a high level vagination and faggotry? Yeah, the last page was a pretty decent example.

[coke_a_holic]

So, remember that thing about this forum reaching a high level vagination and faggotry? Yeah, the last page was a pretty decent example.Now THAT is a good example of irony.

[endlesst0m]

I think "good" or "intelligent" discussion doesn't occur very often on this BBS for two main reasons. Firstly, I just don't think there are many threads created where thought-provoking discussion is likely. Seriously, go take a look at some of the more recent threads created in General Chat. Wouldn't you agree that comedy seems to be the goal rather than intelligent discussion in most of these threads? Poking fun at idiots is more likely in threads like that because its funny, and the discussion wasn't all that thought-provoking to begin with. And since most threads here aren't thought-provoking at all, this happens very frequently.

And secondly, I think it's retarded to believe that bad posters can be counter-productive to good conversation. If three or four bad posts can distract everyone else from intelligently contributing to the conversation, then the problem lies with "everyone else" rather than those few bad posters. Also, I'd like to add that it's very surprising to me how many people are complaining about the "idiots" on this board, when they seem to be your primary source of entertainment here. At this rate, some of you will probably spend a full 24 hours over the course of one year slagging or thinking of ways to slag Zagmeno. Yet, you still try to claim that he is taking away from your enjoyment on this message board. Gimme a break.

[T-6005]

Kids, you were both defensive. Stop it right now.

[Jebus]

endlesst0m, makes some good points, ilovellamas. Especially about how the problem lies with "everyone else" if a couple trolls are able to completely distract everyone from continuing a discussion. It's kind of bitchy to completely disregard him when others have made longer posts, don't you think?

[Jebus]

Did you really have to tell him tl; dr as if anything he says is worthless? That's what I mean about the bitchiness. You could have simply not said anything to him at all.

[T-6005]

T, we stopped it an hour ago. :P

endlesstom, tl, dr.
b/ill/you, only kids read time on internet forummmz

[the_GoDdEsS]

So, remember that thing about this forum reaching a high level vagination and faggotry? Yeah, the last page was a pretty decent example.

I was going to say something like this until I read your reply. So, yes.

[Nina]

I agree with endlesst0m. I find the forum less interesting since intelligent discussions have decreased and inside jokes/making fun of everyone and everything has exploded. Nothing wrong with the latter, but it's getting a little too much for me personally.
I also have the feeling that we used to be a big community, but we arent anymore. There are small circles of friends on this board, but I dont think the big community exists anymore. Though I do admit that this is a normal thing to happen to a group of people of any kind.

[Mota Boy]

All I've gotta say it that I recently began checking my back-up forum, and I now spend more time there than I spend here, to the point that I skim this forum before joining discussions there.

The problem is that The Offspring suck.

No, really - that's the problem. A forum, like any organization, has attrition - people stop replying and wander off. People get jobs. People get lives. People get bored. Any organization needs a constant influx of new life to sustain it, and over the past several years the band has not been interesting enough to pull in new life. It's not that I'm angry at them - it's not like they exist to energize this forum - it's just a fact.


Hell, I didn't even bother reading this thread beyond the first post.

[ninthlayer]

rainbows shooting out every orifice, but ragging
I had to read this twice to realize it wasn't a period joke. Dead serious and not trying to be funny at all. ODB plz.

Mota and Tom both give quite valid reasons as to why the BBS seems to be floundering currently. Between people posting irrelevant and unfunny memes and the fact that people become derailed over the most insignificant details the motivation to hold any semblance of a conversation has all but died out. Everything seems entirely too formulaic and played out, while people that view themselves as somewhere above scrub status lash out at the established trolls/spammers with some sort of ridiculous ferocity (yes, I am talking about Bri here).

Stop using 4chan memes, we already have a beloved physi-fag that can cover that (Hi Endy!).

Mota's point just really stands out to me though. New members hardly show up around here, especially not in the droves that occurred after album releases, so we're left without the filler that would occasionally illicit conversation and whatnot. Aren't the Offspring supposed to release a new album or something soon? It's been a few years since I remember hearing anything about them.

I'd also take into consideration the fact that the core members of the BBS are all a lot older than in the past, which leads to an increase in obligations outside of the internet (or so I hear). I know that the majority of my time spent here is when I'm at work as I have little else to occupy myself with.

Say tl;dr. Please fucking say it.

[the_GoDdEsS]

We're also not very newbie friendly... It could be that some of them might have a potential for something hilarious or bring something new? I don't know. Interesting speculations though.

[wheelchairman]

Yeah seriously, when the fuck did Endlesstom become observant? That's the weirdest shit...

[sKratch]

HI GYSUS! HWO 2 FORUSM!?

To be quite honest, I thought this thread was going to go down a much more horrible road. I'm impressed.

[HeadAroundU]

We're also not very newbie friendly... It could be that some of them might have a potential for something hilarious or bring something new? I don't know. Interesting speculations though.
Ding!

Here I'm! An intelligent part of troll community. If so called 1337 were "kinda" nice to me in the beginnings...I know I hadn't been an angel but...

I remember that this place was harsh as fuck, I could barely speak English and defend myself. I don't know how the present newbies feel this days...
Yeah seriously, when the fuck did Endlesstom become observant? That's the weirdest shit...
I'm so shocked.

There is always the solution but people must want it. Sending PMs to newbies telling them to stay...It's maybe laughable but...whatever...

The new offspring album is expected to be out in September...

Oooh, I can see Sin Studly laughing at me that what kind of shit I just said...

[Jakebert]

I don't know why, but I've become incredibly uninterested in the board, and I only really read it out of habit how. There really doesn't seem to be much going on anymore. I'm not going to try to figure out why, because I have no clue.

Most message boards seem to go through periods of shit and then bounce back, but since I haven't been here that long, I can't say if that happens here or not. Hopefully that's all that's going on, though.

[sKratch]

Yeah this board has been through many cycles of badness / goodness. Been here for a loooong time...

[Betty]

I agree with Thibault's post a while back.

Another thing I'm going to mention, and it's something that kinda frustrates me, is that pretty much 1/2-3/4 of the threads started are links to youtube videos or something. I think I am personally more against youtube than most people as I just find that watching some dude dance around for 30 seconds is a waste of my time, even if it's for 30 seconds. So... yeah... I hate the fact that every second link I click is just another link. I WANT CONTENT. Text-based.

Also the fact that people are growing up is a good point. I've been really busy lately. School/work and friends and life are all consuming. Also, spending a lot of time with the boyfriend, and once he leaves will probably turn to the Internet for comfort more often.

But I'll still mention that I'm still around, checking whenever I have a spare minute, and if the board picks up again, I'll definitely start posting more. Also, if it picks up, I'll make more of an attempt to start interesting topics, etc.

[Tizzalicious]

Another thing I'm going to mention, and it's something that kinda frustrates me, is that pretty much 1/2-3/4 of the threads started are links to youtube videos or something. I think I am personally more against youtube than most people as I just find that watching some dude dance around for 30 seconds is a waste of my time, even if it's for 30 seconds. So... yeah... I hate the fact that every second link I click is just another link. I WANT CONTENT. Text-based.



Same here. I never click links. So whenever I open a thread that's just a link, I close it again right away.

I'm also too lazy to threads with lots of replies sometimes, so basically when I've been busy I end up reading only the crappy ones without replies, which makes the board look even worse.

[Betty]

It's true. It's often quite worth it to actually sit down and read a whole 2-page (40/posts each) thread that was seemingly about nothing and had about 12 stupid replies to begin with because that's the only way you catch some of the few glimpses of humour/intelligence/etc.

[Nina]

I agree about being bothered with one-link-threads. I generally never click links, either, unless there is a description about what the content is and I'm actually interested in it.
The main reason for that is because I fear people post disgusting things ;P

[calichix]

it gets on my last wick how everyone is nice to certain douchebags and mean to certain not-that-whack-but-have-poor-grammarbags. and the lingo (mainly the gayz in every word. I know it's a joke and faggotry can be funny when used by tactful people [skratch, sin studly, etc] but a lot of times it seems like people don't get it, they're all K1LL F4GZ 4 RILL. and that skeeves me out.) is even starting to get on my last wick. and a lot of my favorite people left. and that people jump on the bandwagon when it comes to being mean but when everyone is being NICE to a person a few revolutionaries are mean anyway. people don't base their opinions on the douchebags themselves, they base them on what everyone else has to say about the douchebags. dataintright.


and Claibia, The Offspring really do suck. I'd be mortified if anyone found out I post on The Offspring's message board.

[coke_a_holic]

uh, word.

What people fail to recognize, as Tom touched on, these "idiots," as we have come to know them, are here for a reason, and they don't want to leave. I know how entertaining it is to spend all day trying your hardest to lol, liek, tottally pwn a n00b, but really, they're not just gonna go away because someone across the world told them too. As a matter of fact, entertaining yourself by yelling at them entertains them just as much.

They love the attention, and the constant need for a sense of superiority in some members over others not only bothers me, but it keeps the large group of idiots who are trying to attack idiots acting stupid AND it keeps the large group of idiots who are being attacked by idiots acting stupid. I'm all for a board-wide ignorance of idiotic threads, rather than everyone jumping in to try and win the e-penis length contest.

[mrconeman]

It's happening because of shitty users being shitty, and good users lashing out at them. It takes up any chance of good discussion, and I know I'm guilty of it myself.
I'd like to re-emphasize this, and continue.
That wasn't entirely blaming the shitty users, that was basically saying what endleswhatever was saying, the good members lash back at the idiots and thats bad too, and yes I still know I'm very guilty of it.

However I hate the blaming of it on trying to fit in with the 1337 or e-penis enlargement. It does happen with alot of users, but I've only ever got into those baited out stupid arguments because I find those users genuinely annoying.
Anyway, this thread is a bit of an eye opener to what I guess should have been obvious to me at the start, arguing with them is pointless and part of the problem, I'll do my best to hold my tongue (uhh, fingers) in the future.

[endlesst0m]

I'd like to re-emphasize this, and continue.
That wasn't entirely blaming the shitty users, that was basically saying what endleswhatever was saying, the good members lash back at the idiots and thats bad too, and yes I still know I'm very guilty of it.

However I hate the blaming of it on trying to fit in with the 1337 or e-penis enlargement. It does happen with alot of users, but I've only ever got into those baited out stupid arguments because I find those users genuinely annoying.
Anyway, this thread is a bit of an eye opener to what I guess should have been obvious to me at the start, arguing with them is pointless and part of the problem, I'll do my best to hold my tongue (uhh, fingers) in the future.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to reiterate here that I believe that "idiot" members are exactly zero percent at fault for the lack of good conversation. Was there less bashing back in the days when you felt that things were better here? I doubt it. So since bashing and good conversation co-existed at one point, why can't they now? The bottom line:if somebody writes something thought-provoking or intelligent, almost NOTHING in this world can stop you from responding with something intelligent. And this will create the good conversations that you are craving.

[mrconeman]

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to reiterate here that I believe that "idiot" members are exactly zero percent at fault for the lack of good conversation. Was there less bashing back in the days when you felt that things were better here? I doubt it.
I feel there was indeed less, I'm not trying to hark back to the good old days, because no board has ever been devoid of bashing, but yeah, there was definitely less threads being entirely de-railed with spam and members being baited out by the spammers and trolls. I mean wasn't the fact that it has increased the catylist for this thread?

Boards to go through luls (lul) in activity all the time, for many reasons, but I do feel that spam, and indeed the reaction to it is definitely a factor in our case.

[JoY]

it bugs me that I don't get to speak to some of the very awesome people that come here, when I'm not around, but lately I've found little motivation to visit this place. it's became unbelievably boring.

[nieh]

There's always MSN.
Have you started your job thing yet? How's that going for you?

[Not Ozymandias]

I'd thought that were was something wrong with me, since my only remaining posting interests/contributions here over the past year or so have been sports and lame shock-pictures.
Now I see it's actually everyone else's fault for not providing an interesting enough board.


This makes me feel better. :)

[killer_queen]

The only thing I got bored about this board is too much love. We used to talk, really talk. But now, I don't know, all I can see is "omgz winz!!", "sects?" and that kind of shit. I'm not against sex between board members but I think it would be nice if you got something to say. Unfortunately those good arguments only happen in politics and I'm not smart enough for politics. That's why the boards are getting a little boring for me.

[BREAK]

I lost track of who's cool and who sucks a long, long time ago. All I know is that a large handful of us have been posting at this message board (and probably others) for years. Fucking YEARS. A significant portion of our lives. People change. Of course it's not going to be as fun as it used to be. Novelty don't last.

I suggest total & complete board annihilation. Somebody nuke this one just like the last two, and don't bring anything back up for about seven months. By then we'll see if it's still worth pursuing.

[Sin Studly]

Unfortunately those good arguments only happen in politics and I'm not smart enough for politics.

Nah, it's pretty much all 'omg winz' and 'sects?' there too.

[wheelchairman]

Whoa stuff happens in Politics Forum?

It used to depend entirely on some idiot making a poorly worded topic. And then somehow the smarter people would create a discussion in said topic themselves. The smart people apparently can't produce anything worth discussing though.

[Sin Studly]

I am a merry ploughboy,
And I plough the fields all day,