Talk Show Performance

[killboybowerhead]

Hey so im not gonna search to see if this has already been said because i dont have much time and thats what the mods are for anyway haaaha. But yeah. The offspring, to my knowledge, have never done a tv talk show performance.. like Jimmy kimmel live, Letterman, Conan, or Leno.. Its obvious that they definately could have but I've never heard or seen of any performances. I was just wondering why that hasnt happened because its not their popularity that stopped them from doing it over the years...

[Marco]

They're not one of those bands who seek poularity with TV commercials, teen magazines, excessive merchandise etc., so probably they couldn't care less to go to a talk-show.

[RODNEYMULLEN]

You could count this. I don't really know what show it is. But i think it's a talk show.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMhr5ouEea0

[Venom Symbiote]

Yup. That's Rove Live, the shitty Australian version of Leno/Conan/Letterman. He basically just lifts his act from Conan's self-deprecating nerdy humor, does it less well, and uses the same skits making them all more "Australian".

He's broadcasting two shows from NYC and L.A. next week and the week after.

Wow, Rodney was actually useful for something. Providing a Youtube link. Saving me from searching for it. W00tage.

This was from 2004, and it's a shitty performance. I remember seeing this live and just being "The fuck Dexter, what the fuck Dexter? Fuck fuck Dexter, you're a fuck."

It's awful. Just before it Rove "John" Douchebag McManus said "I think this is probably the loudest act we've ever had on the show" then proceeded to make ignorant metal gestures and shit.

It's shittytacular.

As for performances in general, Killboy, they tended to avoid them during the early years after Smash (at least in the U.S. where these shows are actually watched by people), out of a desire to not become "pin-up poster boys" for punkrock, like Billie Joe was at the time - on every magazine cover, etc. They tried to avoid all of that.

I'm not sure about recently, but I'm sure they've done a few others in Japan and other international regions. Maybe Europe, I don't know.

But Dexter's worn a Letterman shirt in the CGMHAY video, and Conan's references on the main page in the little "officially endorsed by" thing. So they're obviously fans of the format. We might see some stuff on their shows in the future, now that they're not just the fad of the month like in '94. But don't count on it.

Bad Religion have been on...Letterman (?) I think? Maybe it was Leno.

[RODNEYMULLEN]

Bad Religion was on Letterman. I uploaded this video a while ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP-O9w1y-U0
I was useful again!
Oh and i found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YOvucWIzJw&mode=related&search=

[nameless]

i heard they jst didnt want to do many shows like that, they apparently got offered the chance to go on TRL but turned it down!

[malibu43]

...and Conan's references on the main page in the little "officially endorsed by" thing. So they're obviously fans of the format...

Yeah, but right now they have Rumsfeld (sp?) up in the endorsed by window, so I don't know if that says much


...unless they really are fans of Rumsfeld, but somehow I doubt that...

[Ninty Man]

And don't remember they performed a Walk live with RODNEY FUCKING MULLEN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT6XuhH9T8w&mode=related&search=

TRU PUNXXOOOOO

[Venom Symbiote]

Rodney Mullen can just go eat a...a...burrito. Or something. Stupid-head.

And hey, Rumsfeld's gangstah.

As for TRL, tee hee. Probably for CO1 or something. Rawk.

[Venom Symbiote]

But yeah, that was sweet. I haven't seen that one before, Speedy. :) Thanks.

Conan's old set rawked so much. I miss it.

[BuddyHolly]

I guess this is on some kind of German talkshow:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a7BVHf4mbwc

[Jakebert]

i heard they jst didnt want to do many shows like that, they apparently got offered the chance to go on TRL but turned it down!

Um, they've been on TRL a few times. Where exactly did you hear this?

[BuddyHolly]

Dexter wrote a letter to the fans to explain why they left Epitaph and stuff. In this letter he wrote that they didn't want to be posterboys of punkrock and that was why they didn't go on shows like David Letterman and Jay Leno and stuff although they were asked to go. I don't know if anyone remembers where to find this letter but it should be online somewhere.

[The_Special_Delivery]

I had no idea how to upload it so here it is.

Dexter Holland wrote the Offspring mailing list. Here's
what he had to say about why they left Epitaph for Columbia.


Hey,

A lot of people have asked me what the deal is with us leaving Epitaph, so I
thought I would post it here... seems like a good place.

We've gotten a lot of flack about leaving Epitaph, and a lot of that's
because we tried to keep our mouths shut so this wouldn't turn into a press
war. Unfortunately, Epitaph didn't do the same, so the only side anyone
heard was theirs. Well, I'd like you guys to get our side of the story.

Brett Gurewitz owns Epitaph. He's made our leaving the label very public and
very nasty, and that's why we decided to defend ourselves, and that's why I'm
writing now. We all really like the people at Epitaph and the bands on
Epitaph, but we couldn't deal with Brett anymore. Brett's more concerned
about making his label big than he is about helping his bands. That's
basically what it's about, and why we left.

We tried to renegotiate with Brett to do more records on Epitaph starting
last March, because we wanted to stay on the label. We had been trying to
stay on Epitaph all along, actually. When Smash first started getting big in
May of '94, Brett approached us and said he wanted to sell the record to a major
label in return for a royalty override on it. We convinced him not to do it.
In July of '94, when the record started taking off in Europe, he approached
us again about selling the record to a major label in Europe. Again, we had
to beg him not to. We wanted to stay on Epitaph because they gave us our
start, and we like to keep the same people. We have the same booking agent,
the same crew, etc.

So we didn't meet with any major labels - not one. Meanwhile, Brett met with
all of them. Geffen, Capitol, Sony, you name it, and he met with them. They
wanted to buy Epitaph, and he was listening. He told people that he wanted
to be the next Richard Branson. Oh yeah, he met with Richard Branson too.
It's important to a lot of the Epitaph bands to be on a label not associated
with a major. When we confronted him about selling, he denied it. Finally
though, last December, he admitted that he wanted to sell part of the company
to 'raise capital.'

We were concerned about Brett selling part of the company, but there were
other things that bothered us too. Like, we had decided early on to try to
keep a low profile. We didn't do things like 120 Minutes, or David
Letterman, or Saturday Night Live, although we could have. But when we would
turn down an interview request, Brett would step in and do it himself,
pumping his company. He even did interviews with Forbes magazine and
Newsweek. We were trying to avoid being poster boys for punk rock, and Brett
wasn't helping - we felt that if we turned something down, he shouldn't do it
in our place.

We negotiated for about a year, but couldn't get everything ironed out. It's
true that he offered us a great advance and a great royalty rate. But the
last contract he sent had some big problems for us. It said we couldn't do
cover songs. It said Ron couldn't play in his other band. It said he could
use our music on as many compilations as he wanted to. One version of the
contract had a clause in it that allowed Brett to take out a life insurance
policy on me, so that if I died, he would profit. That's when we realized
that this was just about money for him.

He refused to negotiate any more last January, and a week later, he decided
to pull the whole offer. To keep it short, he eventually sold our contract
to Columbia.

We believed in sticking up for the indie label, and we shouldn't have. We
stayed true to Epitaph while Brett met with every major label. Brett says
publicly that major labels are bad but, of course, he was in Bad Religion
when they signed to Atlantic. He wrote a lot of the songs on Stranger than
Fiction that came out on Atlantic. Also, Brett sued us. And, he tried to
force us to stay on his label. There was no indie spirit there anymore.

We took less money to sign with Columbia. We had to sign for more records to
go with Columbia. Our signing with Columbia was not to try and make more
money. We did it because we won't record for someone who thinks he can force
us to. We won't record for a guy who's worse than a major label. We're
gonna do whatever the fuck we want to.

Well, there it is. You heard it first...

Dexter.

[BuddyHolly]

Like, we had decided early on to try to keep a low profile. We didn't do things like 120 Minutes, or David Letterman, or Saturday Night Live, although we could have.

...

We were trying to avoid being poster boys for punk rock

That was the part I was talking about. Thanks for posting the letter!

[Ninty Man]

I had no idea how to upload it so here it is.

Dexter Holland wrote the Offspring mailing list. Here's
what he had to say about why they left Epitaph for Columbia.


Hey,

A lot of people have asked me what the deal is with us leaving Epitaph, so I
thought I would post it here... seems like a good place.

We've gotten a lot of flack about leaving Epitaph, and a lot of that's
because we tried to keep our mouths shut so this wouldn't turn into a press
war. Unfortunately, Epitaph didn't do the same, so the only side anyone
heard was theirs. Well, I'd like you guys to get our side of the story.

Brett Gurewitz owns Epitaph. He's made our leaving the label very public and
very nasty, and that's why we decided to defend ourselves, and that's why I'm
writing now. We all really like the people at Epitaph and the bands on
Epitaph, but we couldn't deal with Brett anymore. Brett's more concerned
about making his label big than he is about helping his bands. That's
basically what it's about, and why we left.

We tried to renegotiate with Brett to do more records on Epitaph starting
last March, because we wanted to stay on the label. We had been trying to
stay on Epitaph all along, actually. When Smash first started getting big in
May of '94, Brett approached us and said he wanted to sell the record to a major
label in return for a royalty override on it. We convinced him not to do it.
In July of '94, when the record started taking off in Europe, he approached
us again about selling the record to a major label in Europe. Again, we had
to beg him not to. We wanted to stay on Epitaph because they gave us our
start, and we like to keep the same people. We have the same booking agent,
the same crew, etc.

So we didn't meet with any major labels - not one. Meanwhile, Brett met with
all of them. Geffen, Capitol, Sony, you name it, and he met with them. They
wanted to buy Epitaph, and he was listening. He told people that he wanted
to be the next Richard Branson. Oh yeah, he met with Richard Branson too.
It's important to a lot of the Epitaph bands to be on a label not associated
with a major. When we confronted him about selling, he denied it. Finally
though, last December, he admitted that he wanted to sell part of the company
to 'raise capital.'

We were concerned about Brett selling part of the company, but there were
other things that bothered us too. Like, we had decided early on to try to
keep a low profile. We didn't do things like 120 Minutes, or David
Letterman, or Saturday Night Live, although we could have. But when we would
turn down an interview request, Brett would step in and do it himself,
pumping his company. He even did interviews with Forbes magazine and
Newsweek. We were trying to avoid being poster boys for punk rock, and Brett
wasn't helping - we felt that if we turned something down, he shouldn't do it
in our place.

We negotiated for about a year, but couldn't get everything ironed out. It's
true that he offered us a great advance and a great royalty rate. But the
last contract he sent had some big problems for us. It said we couldn't do
cover songs. It said Ron couldn't play in his other band. It said he could
use our music on as many compilations as he wanted to. One version of the
contract had a clause in it that allowed Brett to take out a life insurance
policy on me, so that if I died, he would profit. That's when we realized
that this was just about money for him.

He refused to negotiate any more last January, and a week later, he decided
to pull the whole offer. To keep it short, he eventually sold our contract
to Columbia.

We believed in sticking up for the indie label, and we shouldn't have. We
stayed true to Epitaph while Brett met with every major label. Brett says
publicly that major labels are bad but, of course, he was in Bad Religion
when they signed to Atlantic. He wrote a lot of the songs on Stranger than
Fiction that came out on Atlantic. Also, Brett sued us. And, he tried to
force us to stay on his label. There was no indie spirit there anymore.

We took less money to sign with Columbia. We had to sign for more records to
go with Columbia. Our signing with Columbia was not to try and make more
money. We did it because we won't record for someone who thinks he can force
us to. We won't record for a guy who's worse than a major label. We're
gonna do whatever the fuck we want to.

Well, there it is. You heard it first...

Dexter.

WOTS... I believe Dexter word... and I will put this on my windows space... damn... I knew about Gurewitz being such a jerk... but not that big

[RODNEYMULLEN]

I didn't feel like making a new thread, so i brought back this one. Is offspring planning of doing any talk show performances for rafrag?

[Cock Joke]

They'd fuckin better, dude!

[jacknife737]

I didn't feel like making a new thread, so i brought back this one. Is offspring planning of doing any talk show performances for rafrag?

I doubt they are planning anything (at least not any major US shows), we may get something from Australia, Japan or Europe.

[cool 2 hate 681]

they could always film something for a japanese talk show when they go over there in october

[ad8]

I guess this is on some kind of German talkshow:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a7BVHf4mbwc

Whoa thanks! TV Total is a german Late-night show. It's pretty nice.

And I wonder why no one has brought up this yet:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pPndbyp-KyQ

[Rutegard]

they could always film something for a japanese talk show when they go over there in october

probably they will....

[Jesus]

they could always film something for a japanese talk show when they go over there in october

Lets hope so. Need more RAFRAG pro-shot videos!

[Rutegard]

Lets hope so. Need more RAFRAG pro-shot videos!

yeah but most of the japanese shows are kinda stupid....but what the hell....if the offspring are there, then i'll see it lol

[RODNEYMULLEN]

Whoa thanks! TV Total is a german Late-night show. It's pretty nice.

And I wonder why no one has brought up this yet:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pPndbyp-KyQ

Thats been brought up many many times. It's from the americana home video.

[Jesus]

Stupid as in ridiculously/embarrassingly funny for a while yes yes ;). Always nice for a few WTF faces. I wouldn't be able to watch those shows every day though. I'd go crazy.

[Rutegard]

Stupid as in ridiculously/embarrassingly funny for a while yes yes ;). Always nice for a few WTF faces. I wouldn't be able to watch those shows every day though. I'd go crazy.

exactly!! that's the point...

WTF faces eheh

[MAXTER]

See This... http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=0fHCkgaP9XQ&feature=related :D