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Lord_Gabo
07-30-2007, 07:46 AM
Are in this board some japanese fan that see it in Japan?!!?!
:D
i know..is a fuckin post..
DefaultNinja
07-30-2007, 07:53 AM
Hopefully the band will get someone to film it for them, but we should try and get hold of someone to film it also.
I wish I was going to go see them, but alas.. I ain't.
Dexter_italy
07-30-2007, 08:34 AM
Summer sonic is always filmed by professionals...hope to have it soon when it comes out
It's good to have a thread like this on the General Offspring discussion too... everyone post your videos, audio and photos here after the shows are done, hopefully we get some nice footage... these shows are far more interesting than regular ones. A new drummer, first gigs after almost a two year break, what songs will be played... and especially, how's Noodles' hair. Noo... ;)
drex878
07-30-2007, 11:15 AM
It's good to have a thread like this on the General Offspring discussion too... everyone post your videos, audio and photos here after the shows are done, hopefully we get some nice footage... these shows are far more interesting than regular ones. A new drummer, first gigs after almost a two year break, what songs will be played... and especially, how's Noodles' hair. Noo... ;)
Hahaha, Noodles' hair. It will nice to see they guys again.
Lord_Gabo
07-30-2007, 11:52 AM
-12 days .... :D
cool 2 hate 681
07-30-2007, 02:06 PM
can someone also post the shows setlist here when they are over
Harnum
07-30-2007, 02:09 PM
Are in this board some japanese fan that see it in Japan?!!?!
:D
i know..is a fuckin post..
This is the greatest post I have ever had to painfully read. Ouch, english.
ZagmenO
07-30-2007, 06:51 PM
Whoever is going to these concerts, please film the whole thing, put the whole thing on youtube, and give a link in a thread.
I mean this for every concert. I wanna have all these youtube videos in my collection!
Footman
08-01-2007, 11:55 AM
I mean this for every concert. I wanna have all these youtube videos in my collection!
Mh I don't wanna youtube videos... i want download videos whit medium or high quality.
Camilamazed
08-01-2007, 06:59 PM
Japanese do not talk to people who are not Japanese.
German Andres
08-01-2007, 07:22 PM
Mh I don't wanna youtube videos... i want download videos whit medium or high quality.
Amen for that
Powerh
08-02-2007, 03:05 PM
see the summersonic 2002 in japan, what a crowd !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quzd-oMYj9g
Lord_Gabo
08-02-2007, 03:29 PM
:eek: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Japanese do not talk to people who are not Japanese.
Aisha_n
08-03-2007, 07:06 AM
Japanese do not talk to people who are not Japanese.
Im Japanese.
I dont speak English very well.
and many Japanese dont speak English too.
Im sorry:(
I want to take Offspring photo at Summer Sonic :)
Camilamazed
08-03-2007, 08:25 AM
Im Japanese.
I dont speak English very well.
and many Japanese dont speak English too.
Im sorry:(
I want to take Offspring photo at Summer Sonic :)
I've been here for almost 3 years now, You're the first one I see. (On the verge of a concert)..
=)
drex878
08-03-2007, 03:16 PM
8 days...
:)
Aisha_n
08-03-2007, 08:03 PM
I've been here for almost 3 years now, You're the first one I see. (On the verge of a concert)..
=)
oh, really?:eek:
Few Japanese posted General Offspring Discussion and Tour Talk.
Lord_Gabo
08-04-2007, 03:54 AM
aisha don't worry you're not the only one who don't speak english well!!
Take me! :D
Is it for sure that they're going to get a few professional shots of The Offspring this year too?
ZagmenO
08-04-2007, 10:31 AM
I hope it's on TV. Maybe I can get digital cable by then and record the whole thing.
drex878
08-04-2007, 11:12 AM
I wouldn't think it would be on TV...
Maybe some on FUSE but I'm not sure.
German Andres
08-05-2007, 12:09 PM
FUSE? What`s that?
drex878
08-05-2007, 05:58 PM
FUSE? What`s that?
http://www.fuse.tv/
It's a channel I get on Comcast, it has many shows accociated with rock, so Summer Sonic is probably going to be broadcasted or hi-lighted. It used to be on DirectTV.
They have an offspring page on the site...
http://www.fuse.tv/music/artist.php?id=113
German Andres
08-06-2007, 06:24 PM
Thanks for that
Ryder1234
08-06-2007, 08:27 PM
see the summersonic 2002 in japan, what a crowd !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quzd-oMYj9g
wow that must be 1 of the last shows w/ ron
DefaultNinja
08-07-2007, 03:55 AM
Do you think we'll get a journal saying that they're just leaving or something?
Fdsajoe
08-07-2007, 04:29 AM
is there any chance of a live webcast of the show?
Lord_Gabo
08-07-2007, 05:11 PM
http://www.mtvjapan.com/event/summersonic07/onair_live.html#01
http://www.m-on.jp/summersonic07/index.html
???? could some japanese guy translate these pages?!?!
:confused:
maybe on mtv japan or on the other channel we could see them live!
....maybe...
(excuse me for my fucking english)
drex878
08-07-2007, 09:15 PM
Eh, no worries. Pro shots of SSF '07 will be all over the internet after the festival is done. Just where to find them...
Another thought. I would think the band is in Japan by now, lookout for interviews.
TarachnidX
08-07-2007, 11:15 PM
Im hoping it will be streamed live but havent found anything yet and its a little hard trying to find out on the japanese website!
agel118
08-08-2007, 04:19 PM
ah my friend in japan is lucky to catch them
ixnay04
08-09-2007, 08:41 AM
do you think the album will be finished before they leave for japan?
drex878
08-09-2007, 09:09 AM
2 more days!
Fdsajoe
08-09-2007, 10:49 AM
do you think the album will be finished before they leave for japan?
Well i would expect they would have been practicing the last couple of weeks with Pete, so they will either be finished or taking a break I presume.
DefaultNinja
08-09-2007, 10:52 AM
Would you guys be pissed if they didn't play anything new? Or wouldn't you?
ZagmenO
08-09-2007, 11:04 AM
^ I would be very pissed.
Must be exciting for the whole band, this was probably their longest break in the band history...
DefaultNinja
08-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Can wait for them to make a shit hot return! :D
randman21
08-09-2007, 12:01 PM
Would you guys be pissed if they didn't play anything new? Or wouldn't you?
I wouldn't be pissed at all because 1) I won't be there personally, so I don't have anything invested in thorough enjoyment of the show, and 2) do they usually play new things before they even hit the airwaves?
Little_Miss_1565
08-09-2007, 12:03 PM
I'm stoked, I think the Japan show will be really special. So jealous of Japan, heh
Lord_Gabo
08-09-2007, 12:22 PM
nobody knows if there are at least a live radio streaming!? God they'll play at 19.00 in osaka (in italy 2 am!) ..
Fdsajoe
08-09-2007, 02:42 PM
nobody knows if there are at least a live radio streaming!? God they'll play at 19.00 in osaka (in italy 2 am!) ..
2am? are you sure? its 9 hours ahead of GMT, so in England its 10am and i didnt think the time difference between italy and england was thaat big!
Lord_Gabo
08-09-2007, 03:38 PM
2am? are you sure? its 9 hours ahead of GMT, so in England its 10am and i didnt think the time difference between italy and england was thaat big!
Osaka City without Daylight Saving Time
UTC/GMT: +9
Rome with Daylight Saving Time
UTC/GMT : +1
7 hours of difference
London with Daylight Saving Time
UTC/GMT : 0
8 hours of difference ;)
michael jackson
08-09-2007, 05:30 PM
just in case anyone wants it
local time in tokyo
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=248
local time in osaka
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=671
Fdsajoe
08-10-2007, 03:03 AM
Osaka City without Daylight Saving Time
UTC/GMT: +9
Rome with Daylight Saving Time
UTC/GMT : +1
7 hours of difference
London with Daylight Saving Time
UTC/GMT : 0
8 hours of difference ;)
Osaka (Japan) Saturday, 11 August 2007, 19:00:00 UTC+9 hours
Rome (Italy) Saturday, 11 August 2007, 11:00:00 UTC+1 hour
you did it the wrong way round.
used this site:
http://http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Lord_Gabo
08-10-2007, 04:19 AM
Osaka (Japan) Saturday, 11 August 2007, 19:00:00 UTC+9 hours
Rome (Italy) Saturday, 11 August 2007, 11:00:00 UTC+1 hour
you did it the wrong way round.
used this site:
http://http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
strange.. but osaka haven't the Daylight Saving Time now
only one thing is important now.. nothing radio/video streaming..
Tonza
08-10-2007, 04:10 PM
TODAY they're gonna show up there! More presicely in 12 hours!!
Anyone found any video (or at least audio) stream?
One thing that one should try is those TV-programs that play tv-streams, like Sopcast and TVU player.
F@ BANKZ
08-10-2007, 04:46 PM
TODAY they're gonna show up there! More presicely in 12 hours!!
Anyone found any video (or at least audio) stream?
One thing that one should try is those TV-programs that play tv-streams, like Sopcast and TVU player.
Bootleg us any new songs.
Fdsajoe
08-11-2007, 02:16 AM
they should be on in 1 hour and 45 minutes! (i think)
the Summer Sonic site seems to be posting pictures up of the bands after they've played, but i don't think there is a live stream :(
Superdope
08-11-2007, 03:32 AM
half an hour, guys...
so close :)
I wouldn't bet on any live feeds...
You probably wanna check out youtube in the hours after the concert... I know I will ;)
offspringer24
08-11-2007, 03:38 AM
any news?:)
Obie2trice
08-11-2007, 05:44 AM
Awesome, cant wait for photo`s and youtube material. THis is like their first performance in over a year or even longer
Awesome, cant wait for photo`s and youtube material. THis is like their first performance in over a year or even longer
Almost two years!
Nobody even knows how they look these days, haha. I think the last sign was the marathon thing...
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 06:46 AM
Are they playing now or is there hours to go?
Tonza
08-11-2007, 07:04 AM
They've already stopped playing...tomorrow again!
icklebabygremlin
08-11-2007, 07:08 AM
so when can we hear some on this live stuff from japan?
patoff10
08-11-2007, 07:11 AM
Maybe at 20h GMT ? I don't know...
Why aren't The Offspring on today's list at the gallery section for example? Tomorrow they are... are they even playing today? :D At the front page there's not their name and it seems that there are totally different band on tomorrow?
Today they play in Osaka, not in Tokyo. May be you have just seen the Tokyo show, which is tomorrow for The Offspring.
Yes, I noticed and deleted it... :p
Someone translate these latest news from Offspring Japan's record company record site, I guess they're some kind of radio shows lately... http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/Music/International/Arch/ES/TheOffspring/m_info.html
misfit
08-11-2007, 07:40 AM
Someone translate these latest news from Offspring Japan's record company record site, I guess they're some kind of radio shows lately... http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/Music/International/Arch/ES/TheOffspring/m_info.html
nothing to do with Offspring! just rock radio show :(
Okay...
Tokyo site is so much better and people in Osaka seems to be lazy.
Powerh
08-11-2007, 08:24 AM
i'm sure they will play "tokyo i'm on my way" !
lol
drex878
08-11-2007, 10:19 AM
Does anyone know what time the show is, Eastern Time?
Lord_Gabo
08-11-2007, 10:28 AM
:( fuck.
this festival is great and is unbelieveble that don't be palyed on radio or on tv streaming..
very strange.. 7.30h and they 'll up on stage..
Fdsajoe
08-11-2007, 10:34 AM
ahhh not fair! how come tokyo has photos up already and osaka doesn't?
Lord_Gabo
08-11-2007, 10:41 AM
i believe that at this link we could see the new offspring live.. (images)..
http://asahi.co.jp/summersonic/07/live_report.php?st=Sky_stage&dt=11
http://www.summersonic.com/07/thanks/ a lot of radio ... :S
Fdsajoe
08-11-2007, 10:52 AM
i believe that at this link we could see the new offspring live.. (images)..
http://asahi.co.jp/summersonic/07/live_report.php?st=Sky_stage&dt=11
http://www.summersonic.com/07/thanks/ a lot of radio ... :S
dude, i don't think you realise, the osaka performance has already happened. And i don't think theres any radio or live stream or anything that people from out of japan can access.
cool 2 hate 681
08-11-2007, 10:56 AM
maybe if summersonic.com won't post pics then we might get some on offspring.com
Lord_Gabo
08-11-2007, 10:58 AM
dude, i don't think you realise, the osaka performance has already happened. And i don't think theres any radio or live stream or anything that people from out of japan can access.
...................thx...
cool 2 hate 681
08-11-2007, 11:05 AM
they have a lot of pics of the crowd from the show but no offspring
http://www.summersonic.net/07/live_report/ad11_1.html
Marco
08-11-2007, 12:43 PM
There's a guy with an Offspring t-shirt on the first page...I envy him!:rolleyes:
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 01:42 PM
It's nearly 5 in the morning Osaka time, should expect Offspring are asleep. Wander if they played new stuff.. wander when we'll be seeing the pictures or whatever.
SpLinteR
08-11-2007, 01:48 PM
I'm getting anxious and tired of waiting
Fdsajoe
08-11-2007, 01:49 PM
It seems as if the Tokyo site is more organized so i expect we will have to wait til tomorrow for photos at least.
Yeah, Tokyo you probably mean... they have pictures of every band while Osaka's got only a few. But waiting for proshots or some YouTube videos really...
Fdsajoe
08-11-2007, 02:02 PM
yeah, thanks. But i expect only people in japan will be able to get hold of them, and as they are probably in bed, we won't get them til tomorrow :(
SeanZombie
08-11-2007, 02:02 PM
:[[[[ new material!!
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:07 PM
The Osaka site is full of shite. Hardly any band photos, i'm thinking their might be mega tight security (no cameras) so.. we only get the few crowd shots and other shitty shots.
*Sigh* Waaaaaaaaaaiting time.
Oh well, next weekday will probably bring new stuff every day, shitty bootlegs, pictures, audio, interviews... I don't know if Japs are that active using YouTube though. At least someone come here and tell the setlist! :p
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:13 PM
True, true..
Are you sure Offspring are even playing today? There's barely a mention of them on the site. That's poor.. :p
This is the part of the site to keep an eye on (http://www.summersonic.com/07/gallery/)
BuckyO'Hare
08-11-2007, 02:15 PM
The Osaka site is full of shite. Hardly any band photos, i'm thinking their might be mega tight security (no cameras) so.. we only get the few crowd shots and other shitty shots.
*Sigh* Waaaaaaaaaaiting time.
Probably pretty much the truth.Unfortunately.
True, true..
Are you sure Offspring are even playing today? There's barely a mention of them on the site. That's poor.. :p
This is the part of the site to keep an eye on (http://www.summersonic.com/07/gallery/)
They did. Tomorrow when they're in Tokyo you'll get pictures almost right away after the gig, I think. Osaka fails.
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:27 PM
"I'm curious about Dexter's guitar and Greg's bass, I have a feeling they've changed them."
Why?
Bhaha, I don't know. Actually I'm just hoping Dexter would go back to his green/brown guitar. It's awesome.
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2469/offspringho4.jpg
cool 2 hate 681
08-11-2007, 02:38 PM
i wonder if aisha_n was at the osaka show maybe she can give us the setlist???
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:40 PM
We have the first Offspring related Osaka vids up, nothing much though..
Here (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=1383845773103232073&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=the%2Boffspring%2Bosaka&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D EzRoZhG-dEk&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D1383845773103232073% 26q%3Dthe%2Boffspring%2Bosaka%26total%3D4%26start% 3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex% 3D0&usg=AL29H21bmnzhORQKvDHoDvcOliYNXVYgUA)
Here (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=-7749574564383659845&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=the%2Boffspring%2Bosaka&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D lHP6_iGCaLs&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-7749574564383659845%26q%3Dthe%2Boffspring%2Bosaka% 26total%3D4%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type %3Dsearch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H22rUT5r_OQsLYlnnGJ52TRZ6bJcVw)
And here (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=4255342127422238518&esrc=sr4&ev=v&q=the%2Boffspring%2Bosaka&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D Ow4DHn7B7zY&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D4255342127422238518% 26q%3Dthe%2Boffspring%2Bosaka%26total%3D4%26start% 3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex% 3D3&usg=AL29H20WsFxKOk94TWwgOlqj3tBVDalCqw)
That's just teasing, filming while they're at the stage and and telling "grande show" but without any music whatsoever, hah. Pointless video I say.
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:49 PM
Yup, wander what music that is in the background of the 3rd video
My first thought was that it sounded like Dexter and a song I've never heard. But that's just human nature. ;)
drex878
08-11-2007, 02:51 PM
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3897/img6034pr4.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img6034pr4.jpg)
Thats what I like to see.
Sorry that the pic is small, but its of a japanese fan waering a CO1 T-shirt
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:52 PM
Indeed.. come on Pro shots.. .woo! :cool:
Don't you think it sounds like Offspring a bit? The guy says "chegada no sky stageee!!!", could be "heading into the sky stage" which they obviously are doing. Offspring played there. Oh well, at least it isn't Motorhead I can say, damn wind.
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 02:59 PM
I do think it sounds like them, i'm just trying not to get overhyped.. :(
It's almost scary, because that's a new song if that's the case. I was so sure that they wouldn't be playing any new stuff, and I still am actually. Hard to judge from the vid...
Iamstupid
08-11-2007, 03:01 PM
I don't think it was The Offspring...
drex878
08-11-2007, 03:04 PM
I don't think it was The Offspring...
Well it's impossible to tell who it is.
We can only hope.
Probably not, but damn similar to it.
drex878
08-11-2007, 03:12 PM
Well, its confusing beacuse on the description for the video, it reads:
chegada no sky stageee!!!
demais!
motor head
avenged sevenfold
offspring...
melhores mesmo
...Just, which band was playing?
:confused:
Iamstupid
08-11-2007, 03:15 PM
Well, its confusing beacuse on the description for the video, it reads:
chegada no sky stageee!!!
demais!
motor head
avenged sevenfold
offspring...
melhores mesmo
...Just, which band was playing?
:confused:
maybe none of those bands :rolleyes:
Yeah yeah, Motorhead is out of the list, they don't have that high vocals. Avenged Sevenfold... why not. Or like the previous guy said, none of those. :p
But out of these it's somone for sure.
THE OFFSPRING
AVENGED SEVENFOLD
MOTORHEAD
SUICIDAL TENDENCIES
HINDER
ENTER SHIKARI
HADOUKEN!
MADINA LAKE
ROACH
...and, maybe five of those use English language. But you can't even tell the language of the video, so I'll just sit back.
batfish
08-11-2007, 03:22 PM
The 3rd vid looks quite early in the day. Not yet late afternoon. If the Offspring are headlining, wouldn't it be later on in the day?
They played at 19.00 (7pm). Is it dark in Japan at that time already? Haha, us and our speculations. :p
Iamstupid
08-11-2007, 03:25 PM
Yep. So...we still don't know nothing about who was playing in the video.
Is there someone on the BBS who he's going/has gone to see the guys playin in Japan ?
EDIT : I don't think that it's dark in Japan at 19h00 (7:00pm)...I mean it's summer, days are longer than when it's winter, and there it's dark about 21H00 (9:00Pm) or so
Lord_Gabo
08-11-2007, 03:25 PM
The 3rd vid looks quite early in the day. Not yet late afternoon. If the Offspring are headlining, wouldn't it be later on in the day?
they played at 19.00
batfish
08-11-2007, 03:29 PM
The people's shadows in the video don't look long enough for it to be 19.00
...wow that sounded nerdy :o
Hahaha, yeah. Almost pathetic. But not quite. :D
Tisiacs
08-11-2007, 03:31 PM
Those videos are in portuguese!! :D
they don't say anything important, just stuff like "I've always wanted to go to an offspring concert"
and i'm pretty sure in the last video, they weren't on stage yet
DefaultNinja
08-11-2007, 03:33 PM
Well, atleast the speculation has got the boards going a bit :D
Iamstupid
08-11-2007, 03:35 PM
The people's shadows in the video don't look long enough for it to be 19.00
...wow that sounded nerdy :o
omg...XD
You're observant :D Did you have a look to the sun, if it was up to the sky ?
Heh... oh man, this is getting hilarious... but that's what's happen when you get something new in almost two years.
Iamstupid
08-11-2007, 03:40 PM
For the moment we're most waiting for something new than having really something new ;)
C'mon I want pictures, videos, audios right now ! :p
BuckyO'Hare
08-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Those videos are in portuguese!! :D
they don't say anything important, just stuff like "I've always wanted to go to an offspring concert"
and i'm pretty sure in the last video, they weren't on stage yet
Yeaah...right...I bet you are just fuckin' with us...:D
(joke)
Just a random note... at one of the first shows with Atom I remember they messed up Hit That a little, got out of the rhytm but it was Higgins' fault... I wonder by the way if Higgins's still in because he didn't show up at the bands latest tours in Europe and Japan... but now that there's a new drummer and he's not a robot either and must've some butterflies in his stomach + this long break some juicy mistakes at the songs would be appreciated, they are always the best, not perfect playing.
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 04:23 PM
Just a random note... at one of the first shows with Atom I remember they messed up Hit That a little, got out of the rhytm but it was Higgins' fault... I wonder by the way if Higgins's still in because he didn't show up at the bands latest tours in Europe and Japan... but now that there's a new drummer and he's not a robot either and must've some butterflies in his stomach + this long break some juicy mistakes at the songs would be appreciated, they are always the best, not perfect playing.
Nonono The wouldnt get rid of Higgins. he's been around since way back and with the new album coming up he would be more than up for it.
drex878
08-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Nonono The wouldnt get rid of Higgins. he's been around since way back and with the new album coming up he would be more than up for it.
I agree, he's always up for jumping around on stage, playing doll head percussion, and just having fun. I'm sure he'll be at this show.
...and I hope that I get to see a halfway decent shot of the show by the end of the night. :rolleyes:
Fdsajoe
08-11-2007, 04:46 PM
I don't think that it's dark in Japan at 19h00 (7:00pm)...I mean it's summer, days are longer than when it's winter, and there it's dark about 21H00 (9:00Pm) or so
well, i dunno, if you look at the 2nd video that was posted - talking about the 'fin' of the offspring show, it was dark, so it might have started in light, but i expect it ended in the dark.
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 05:07 PM
Its not looking promising to be seeing a decent vid by tonight
Powerh
08-11-2007, 05:18 PM
I 'd like to imagine the tracklist for the concert in Japan. what is yours?
this is mine:
1.Bad Habit
2.All I want
3.Long way home
4.Come out and play
5.Dammit i changed again
6.Gone Away
7.Gotta get away
8. Hit That
9. Pretty Fly
10.The Kids arent alright
11.A NEW SONG
12.Da hui
13. have you ever
14. Get It right
15. Beheaded
16. Staring at the sun
17. Smash
18. Want you Bad
19. Can't repeat
------------------
20. A new song
21. Self Esteem
22. can't get my head
offspring_freak_3
08-11-2007, 05:22 PM
my guess is, if we have a video, it'll probably be out on monday
right now i'm talking with a few people who went to the gig. unfurtunaly they got nothing yet, i'll see if they can get something from today's gig ;)
right now i'm talking with a few people who went to the gig. unfurtunaly they got nothing yet, i'll see if they can get something from today's gig ;)
Ask if they played anything really special...
drex878
08-11-2007, 05:27 PM
I 'd like to imagine the tracklist for the concert in Japan. what is yours?
this is mine:
1.Bad Habit
2.All I want
3.Long way home
4.Come out and play
5.Dammit i changed again
6.Gone Away
7.Gotta get away
8. Hit That
9. Pretty Fly
10.The Kids arent alright
11.A NEW SONG
12.Da hui
13. have you ever
14. Get It right
15. Beheaded
16. Staring at the sun
17. Smash
18. Want you Bad
19. Can't repeat
------------------
20. A new song
21. Self Esteem
22. can't get my head
I don't think they play that many songs. But yes, playing new songs would be great, though your list seems very unrealistic.
And also, I've heard Dexter say that they rarely play Self Esteem in Japan, because "they don't get it". Got that one from CMVC.
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 06:20 PM
I don't think they play that many songs. But yes, playing new songs would be great, though your list seems very unrealistic.
And also, I've heard Dexter say that they rarely play Self Esteem in Japan, because "they don't get it". Got that one from CMVC.
Yeh they said that on the Greatest hits Video Collection. they said the normally close with The Kid's arent alright instead
offspring_freak_3
08-11-2007, 06:26 PM
OMG! did i died?
my friend just told me they played 2 NEW SONGS, he doesn't remeber the whole tracklist and the order but here is what he remeber:
Head Around You
All I Want
Come Out And Play
Hit that
Hypodermic
Original Prankster
Pretty Fly
The Kids Aren't Alright
Want You Bad
Get A Job
HOLY SHIT! HYPODERMIC!!!!
i just wish they played old songs more often.
drex878
08-11-2007, 06:28 PM
2 New Songs!
Hypodermic!
Holy Shit!
offspring_freak_3, do everything you can to get those songs from your friends! THANKS!
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 06:33 PM
Fuck!! Hypodermic!! XD
And they rarely play Original Prankstar anymore!
drex878
08-11-2007, 06:43 PM
Fuck!! Hypodermic!! XD
And they rarely play Original Prankstar anymore!
Sounds like such a killer performance!
AND we have 2 more shows to come!!! :D
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 06:45 PM
We need to find out what else they played!
I bet theres plenty of other surprises.
MasoN
08-11-2007, 07:04 PM
no offence, but i think the guy is bullshiting us when talkin about 2 new songs!
drex878
08-11-2007, 07:07 PM
A long time BBS member wouldn't bullshit us, right?
MasoN
08-11-2007, 07:10 PM
i guess ur right!
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 07:11 PM
Maybe Mason hasnt heard Offspring have a new album coming out soon. It makes sense if Offspring are playing new songs
MasoN
08-11-2007, 07:21 PM
new album??? what??? :confused:
how come? no, it can't be possible, you kidding right?
patoff10
08-11-2007, 07:23 PM
Where are the fans ? We haven't anything yet...
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 07:23 PM
new album??? what??? :confused:
how come? no, it can't be possible, you kidding right?
Lol i couldnt believe the news myself
drex878
08-11-2007, 07:34 PM
Dude, I want to hear the new songs so badly. :eek:
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 07:40 PM
Ive been constantly checking YouTube all night for new vids of summersonic. Still nothing
MasoN
08-11-2007, 07:49 PM
Lol i couldnt believe the news myself
Ahaha,
im pretty sure when they get back from Japan, they will tell us everything, the release date, name of the album, etc. so patience guys, i wouldnt count on summersonic tho..
Funderful Callan
08-11-2007, 07:52 PM
Alot of bands play New songs Before the album is released. why not summersonic? its like the biggest Japanese festival there is.
drex878
08-11-2007, 08:02 PM
Ive been constantly checking YouTube all night for new vids of summersonic. Still nothing
I've been doing the same...
jacknife737
08-11-2007, 11:40 PM
HOLY SHIT! HYPODERMIC!!!!
i just wish they played old songs more often.
During their last North American tour (warped 2005) they usually played 1-2 older songs per gig.
hshduppsnt
08-12-2007, 12:52 AM
^ this is true but hypodermic was never one of em. (edit: at least to my recollection)
Session was usually the most common.
Wouldn't mind seeing a setlist right about now... doubt they played anything new though... too early to begin promoting new songs...
Autonomist
08-12-2007, 01:01 AM
At last year's Summersonic Metallica played two new songs off an album that won't even be out til next year.
DeAtHsTaR
08-12-2007, 01:29 AM
Yeah, and Streetlight Manifesto was playing songs from their upcoming album over a year ago. Hell, Tomas was even playing songs that would be on Everything Goes Numb when he was still in Catch 22.
hshduppsnt
08-12-2007, 01:46 AM
well then i stand corrected and am now very excited... (hopefully for good reason too)
think anyone will have video/audio of the show?
Thomas
08-12-2007, 01:56 AM
I'm sure it'll be somewhere on youtube soon. There are also two more shows, right?
misfit
08-12-2007, 03:02 AM
i wasn't there, but my friend told me that they didn't play new songs at osaka show:(
and noodles had very long hear:confused:
sorry for bad english
nonox9
08-12-2007, 03:06 AM
They've got two pictures up now. Just look at Noodles' hair :D
http://asahi.co.jp/summersonic/07/live_report.php?artist_id=53&st=Sky_stage&dt=11
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 03:08 AM
They've got two pictures up now. Just look at Noodles' hair :D
http://asahi.co.jp/summersonic/07/live_report.php?artist_id=53&st=Sky_stage&dt=11
wow :D great!
Bit unfair that other bands have 2 pages of photos and they only have 2 photos though.
Steady
08-12-2007, 03:11 AM
I well hope they do play some new songs, but i have a feeling they won't.
Oh Haha noodles hair looks ace. :D
I got an associate of Wayne's World right away when I saw Noodles...
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 03:31 AM
Jesus, a whole night of dreaming there'd be some new stuff and there's only two pictures.. :p Just kidding, but look at Noodles's hair!
Edit - Today has got to be the day, I'm almost sure of it.. They're playing at 20:05 Tokyo time, so that's 11:05 GMT (I think). SO that's 6-7am for EST [It's 18:40ish at the time of this post in Tokyo]
Probably ballsed all that up.
Dexter_italy
08-12-2007, 03:38 AM
Hypodermic!! ahhhhh I'm coming right now.... :D I want every second of their performance :D
F@ BANKZ
08-12-2007, 03:40 AM
Dexter hasn't got his braids back:(
On the other hand, Noodles' is off the chain.
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 03:41 AM
Jesus, a whole night of dreaming there'd be some new stuff and there's only two pictures.. :p Just kidding, but look at Noodles's hair!
Edit - Today has got to be the day, I'm almost sure of it.. They're playing at 20:05 Tokyo time, so that's 11:05 GMT (I think). SO that's 6-7am for EST [It's 18:40ish at the time of this post in Tokyo]
Probably ballsed all that up.
haha almost, just checked a second before you posted. Japan aren't on daylight saving soo:
20:05 - Tokyo
12:05 - GMT
07:05 - EST
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 03:43 AM
Dammit. Thanks for that, just an hour and a bit 'til they play, then all day to question why we haven't seen/heard anything new.
Wahey! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wpftp14Bo-0) First Youtube video up
Superdope
08-12-2007, 04:08 AM
Noodles... looks... killer!
well, the Tokyo show is about an hour away, and from what I can extract from those japanese sites, the tokyo site is much more organized and updated than osaka... I bet the pictures will be plenty and uploaded fast.
Dexter_italy
08-12-2007, 04:13 AM
Cool, in the end Dexter seems really enjoying the show!! I liked the video.... the offspring on stage again...cool feeling !!!
Good video, nice sounds... Pete didn't drum any extra, sounded just like Ron.
cool_dexter
08-12-2007, 04:19 AM
yeap, it was good
did they play anything new?
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 04:23 AM
wow! Dexters voice sounded great, i've heard him strain on the higher notes, but he seemed to hit them in this.
"you gotta keep em' seperated" didn't sound like higgins though...
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 04:24 AM
I've PM'ed the guy who uploaded the vid asking him if they played new stuff, whether he speaks English or not is a different matter...
"you gotta keep em' seperated" didn't sound like higgins though...
Or it came out from a tape... you can't see the guy jumping along this song on the stage as he usually does... this makes me wonder if he's out because like I said, he wasn't at the European and Japan tour at 2005 anymore.
cool_dexter
08-12-2007, 04:27 AM
I want new staff, the tokyo show begins in 35 minutes
and i want to see all performance :(
BuckyO'Hare
08-12-2007, 04:32 AM
That was pete playing drums right?
It would've been cool to see/hear how he plays the drum-intro or whatever in come out and play
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 04:32 AM
aisha don't worry you're not the only one who don't speak english well!!
Take me! :D
Thnak you, Lord Gabo!! :)
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 04:34 AM
Aisha_n, did you go to Summer Sonic?
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 04:40 AM
Aisha_n, did you go to Summer Sonic?
Yes, i went to Summer Sonic 07 in Osaka.
OFFSPRING DID NOT PLAY NEW SONGS :mad:
Living in Chaos
08-12-2007, 04:43 AM
Bugger.
What did they play Aisha_n?? :)
Steady
08-12-2007, 04:51 AM
Hmm maybe they will play a new song on the last day or something? Kinda shitty if they do tho for all the fans that were there the previous 2 days.
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 04:51 AM
Offspring did not play new songs (and Self Esteem :p ),
and did not introduce Pete Parada.
Dexter did not talk at all.
Finally he did not say "good-bye."
Im angry, and very very very sad :(
but a little laughing :p
Dragnet
08-12-2007, 04:55 AM
Offspring did not play new songs (and Self Esteem :p ),
and did not introduce Pete Parada.
Dexter did not talk at all.
Finally he did not say "good-bye."
Im angry, and very very very sad :(
but a little laughing :p
So, basically everything just like 2003.
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 04:55 AM
well he might not have spoken because many members of the crowd may not have understood english?
What songs did they play though?
Living in Chaos
08-12-2007, 04:57 AM
Maybe they won't play their new songs 'cause they think that Japan wont understand them like Self Esteem lol :p
Dragnet
08-12-2007, 04:58 AM
Dude, they ALWAYS play the same songs with very small changes in their setlist. :)
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 05:04 AM
they should be just getting on stage in tokyo now :)
Wahey! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wpftp14Bo-0)
At 53 seconds, if you look at the screen, it looks like the guitar player has long hair, or am I just seeing things? I can't tell if it's Greg or Noodles. And to me it sounds like Higgins is back in too.
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 05:11 AM
What did they play Aisha_n?? :)
Please wait.
Someone Japanese Fan or Sony's Staff post right setlist :D
I remember they playd
Staring at the sun
Come out and Play
Walla Walla
Mota
Can't Repeat
Pretty Fly
Gotta Get Away
All I Want
Why Don't You Get A Job?
The Kids Aren't Alright
Original Prankster
One Fine Day
Have You Ever
Hit That
Americana
What Happened To You?
CGMHAY
Want to bad
First song was Staring at the sun, and last one was Want to bad.
Its rigtht...
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 05:12 AM
At 53 seconds, if you look at the screen, it looks like the guitar player has long hair, or am I just seeing things? I can't tell if it's Greg or Noodles. And it sounds like Higgins is back in too.
yeah noodles has long hair!
http://asahi.co.jp/summersonic/07/live_img/457.jpg
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 05:13 AM
At 53 seconds, if you look at the screen, it looks like the guitar player has long hair, or am I just seeing things? I can't tell if it's Greg or Noodles. And to me it sounds like Higgins is back in too.
It's Noodles, there is two pics currently, one showing his new hair. Earlier in this thread..
Edit - Beaten to it, guess they're playing now. Probably same setlist, nothing new, until maybe the After thing on the 14th.
Mota was a surprise... and, probably the first time started with Staring At The Sun, woah.
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 05:18 AM
At 53 seconds, if you look at the screen, it looks like the guitar player has long hair, or am I just seeing things? I can't tell if it's Greg or Noodles. And to me it sounds like Higgins is back in too.
The guitar player has long hair was undoubtedly Noodles.
Higgins didnt come :(
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 05:20 AM
So, basically everything just like 2003.
Oh Nooo... :(
Dexter_italy
08-12-2007, 05:21 AM
but... hypodermic??? so did they play it or not?
So, Higgins has probably left, he might have his own projects and family stuff, he didn't have THAT big role but still will be missed.
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 05:28 AM
I can't help but feeling a little bit bummed out by the way we aren't informed on this stuff..
It's very typical, the band is very low profile informing anything, only the things that are have to and as Higgins isn't listed as the "real official member" it doesn't surprise me at all.
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 05:31 AM
wait why are you just assuming higgins left? There could be other reasons why he wasn't there, like maybe he something really important planned before. He may not have left.
The last signs of him are at Warped Tour dates. After that, he didn't show up at Europe, Japan and Anaheim. Those are the last tours. Now they had almost two year break, tour in Japan Summer Sonic. Still not Higgins. He can't have that bad luck that he'd busy for something else every time! Of course it's possible that he's taking a long vacation, but makes you wonder a bit don't you think?
Of course, no word from the band of this case. :p
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 05:35 AM
The last signs of him are at Warped Tour dates. After that, he didn't show up at Europe, Japan and Anaheim. Those are the last tours. Now they had almost two year break, tour in Japan Summer Sonic. Still not Higgins. Of course it's possible that he's taking a long vacation, but makes you wonder a bit don't you think?
Of course, no word from the band of this case. :p
True, but it still doesn't make it for definate. We can still hope for higgins!
Yes, you can always hope...
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 05:50 AM
Sorry,
They playd Bad Habit :(
and Long way home
Sorry,
They playd Bad Habit :(
You don't have te apologise yourself for that, honney!
They played it, not you.
It's not your fault, so stop blaming yourself for that!
Anyway,
They didn't played for two years... and nothing changed.
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 06:04 AM
They didn't played for two years... and nothing changed.
they got a new dummer...
The_Special_Delivery
08-12-2007, 06:04 AM
You don't have te apologise yourself for that, honney!
They played it, not you.
It's not your fault, so stop blaming yourself for that!
Anyway,
They didn't played for two years... and nothing changed.
It's kinda sad...they could have impressed us a little bit.The only thing is surprising to me is Noodles hair.Awesome,but disapointing overall..
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 06:05 AM
The 14th may yeild some new stuff, but I feel fucken' dissapointed right now.
Sorry,
They playd Bad Habit :(
they got a new dummer...
No, they hired a new drummer...
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 06:13 AM
No, they hired a new drummer...
what the hell? Josh Freese is "hired", Pete Parada is a new member of the band.
what the hell? Josh Freese is "hired", Pete Parada is a new member of the band.
Pete is hired to play live, just like Josh was hired to play the album.
Pete is just a live drummer, just like Atom was.
It's cool for me, but the next time they make a tour, it can be John or Kevin who do the drums.
It's not a new Ron, he will not stay for ages. Probably will never do an album.
Just like Atom.
He's a passenger.
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 06:20 AM
Want Ron Bad ... :(
Should just be finishing their set in Tokyo now. :D
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 06:22 AM
Pete is hired to play live, just like Josh was hired to play the album.
Pete is just a live drummer, just like Atom was.
It's cool for me, but the next time they make a tour, it can be John or Kevin who do the drums.
It's not a new Ron, he will not stay for ages. Probably will never do an album.
Just like Atom.
He's a passenger.
Pete is seen as an official member of the band though, not a hired member, and as i understand it, if they were to make another album further down the line and Pete was still with them, he would play the drums on the album.
By the way, the Tokyo show is probably now over.
Lemmy looks awsome.
Pix from Avanged sevenfold are uploaded.
Can't be long before...
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 06:24 AM
yeah do you think we'll get the pics today?
The Marine stage seems behind on pics, and the Sky stage updated about an hour and a half ago, so the new pics may be soon, but i don't know.
Why shouldn't they upload it today?
Even Avenged sevenfold's pix are already uploaded.
Within this and 2 hours, we will see som awesome Offspring shoots!
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 06:28 AM
Why shouldn't they upload it today?
Even Avenged sevenfold's pix are already uploaded.
Within this and 2 hours, we will see som awesome Offspring shoots!
I dunno Osaka was really slow yesterday, but Tokyo seems much better. I don't see the Avenged Sevenfold pictures, but maybe my internet is just being slow.
http://www.summersonic.com/07/gallery/12/mountain/10/index.html
and now we can refresh every 5 seconds.
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 06:31 AM
I can do that
I can do that
Did I ever doubt about your refresh-qualities?
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 06:38 AM
Bwhaahah, how you shall never know of my fiendish ways. Yup, I'm using an automatic refresher, my latest and greatest invention.
Footman
08-12-2007, 06:43 AM
http://www.summersonic.com/07/gallery/12/mountain/10/index.html
and now we can refresh every 5 seconds.
NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE?!?! :(
NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE, NO IMAGE?!?! :(
It's just a matter of time.
Hey, we've been waiting for 2 years.
Another 2 hours is a piece of cake.
GIMME THE PICTURES NOW!!!:mad:
Steady
08-12-2007, 06:56 AM
ha ha ha ^^
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 06:59 AM
Just a little while to go, is everyone refreshing that page?
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:04 AM
:eek: I only just got avenged sevenfold. I predict photos within the hour! (hopefully)
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:20 AM
at tokyo show they played new song called "Hammerhead":eek:
they played 20 songs and firs ten songs are
1 STARTING AT THE SUN
2 COME OUT AND PLAY
3 CANT REPEAT
4 HAMMERHEAD
5 ORIGINAL PRANKRTER
6 LONG WAY HOME
7 WALLA
8 HAVE YOU EVER
9 BAD HABIT
10 GOTTA GET AWAY
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:22 AM
Fucken' sweet, can't wait to hear it.. hopefully it's pro shot
at tokyo show they played new song called "Hammerhead":eek:
Nice songtitle.
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:24 AM
Proof please? Hope it's true
i saw this at japanese bbs
Hammerhead? Fucking shit, is this true this time or another wrong alarm?!? I have REALLY hard time believe it... why would they play it at Tokyo but not Osaka.
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:25 AM
i saw this at japanese bbs
link? I so fucking hope you're telling the truth
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:26 AM
i saw this at japanese bbs
Nice one, link maybe?
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:26 AM
link? I so fucking hope you're telling the truth
http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musice/1186840579/1-100
i never lie to The Offspring fans;)
The only reason I can think that the show in Tokyo is the one being pro shot, not Osaka... so that could be the reason that they played a new song in Tokyo to get it in public with a pro live shot...
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:27 AM
http://music8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/musice/1186840579/1-100
i never lie to The Offspring fans;)
pfft you could have been lied to...
SpLinteR
08-12-2007, 07:28 AM
Man, I'll have a heart attack!
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:28 AM
The only reason I can think that the show in Tokyo is the one being pro shot, not Osaka... so that could be the reason that they played the new song to get in public with it with a pro live shot...
they always play more songs at tokyo shows:mad:
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:30 AM
misfit, can you speak/read japanese? If so can you translate the parts that say they played "hammerhead" please?
I just hope that the Japs aren't pissing with us right now. :p
Hammerhead sounds... interesting... as for an Offspring song... so that's probably the first single. IF this is true, which I still don't tend to believe until I hear it.
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:33 AM
pictures changed on the site! not sure if the offspring photos are up though.
Fucking Japanees!
No Offspring pix, but of course... already some stupid Artic monkeys shoots!
Iamstupid
08-12-2007, 07:33 AM
Man, I'll have a heart attack!
They only played a new song and already a heart attack ? :p What it'll be when the new albim will be released ? ;)
Can't wait to hear how sound this new song, Hammerhead ^^.
BTW, Noodles with long hair ! Wow !
EDIT : No artics monkeys...we want Offspring pics!
Steady
08-12-2007, 07:34 AM
lol this is sooo exciting *spurt*
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:35 AM
Oh man oh man oh man excitement.
M-ON is mentioned on that Japanese BBS, perhaps live feed or something there? We need a Japanese scout.
When I hear two different people confirming that they played some new stuff I believe it... but as far as I know now it's just one poeple clamining so? Come on, more proofs. :p
If this turn out true, I'm pretty sure the song is being professional shot and can't wait for next week to hear it live!
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:39 AM
yeah, how long will we have to wait for proshots?
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:39 AM
When I hear two different people confirming that played something new stuff I believe it... but as far as I know now it's just one poeple clamining so? Come on, more proofs. :p
If this turn out true, I'm pretty sure the song is being professional shot and can't wait for next week to hear it live!
if you want pro shot you have to wait at least a weak,until japanese mtv will show it on tv!
Oh, okay. Well in two weeks then. Before that there will be shitty bootlegs though but that would just ruin the waiting to hear it very first time with a shitty audio, better would be just wait for some pro stuff.
Iamstupid
08-12-2007, 07:40 AM
if you want pro shot you have to wait at least a weak,until japanese mtv will show it on tv!
Awwww...too long :( :(
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:41 AM
Awwww...too long :( :(
i know but this is how it goes in Japan:(
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:42 AM
Don't fret, should be a shorter wait hopefully..
Misfit, are you from Japan?
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:43 AM
Don't fret, should be a shorter wait hopefully..
Misfit, are you from Japan?
i'm not Japanese but I live in Japan about 10 years
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:45 AM
Cool, so you wouldn't mind us relying on you to find stuff of Japanese sites, would you? :p
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:48 AM
Cool, so you wouldn't mind us relying on you to find stuff of Japanese sites, would you? :p
thats ok :D
but remember i dont speak english well:(
in japanese school they dont teach how to speak english:p
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:49 AM
It's ok. :) You can ask us for help with English if you need to.
So, the imagined (still at the moment) song tells about Hammerhead the shark? Haha. With a google search all you get is sharks with the name... maybe Dexter was worried of them and the result is a song that defends them. ;)
misfit
08-12-2007, 07:52 AM
It's ok. :) You can ask us for help with English if you need to.
oh ok:D
if i found something new i let you know
SpLinteR
08-12-2007, 07:52 AM
What about pinhead from Ramones :D
Fdsajoe
08-12-2007, 07:53 AM
misfit really is a superhero.
DefaultNinja
08-12-2007, 07:55 AM
I think it's saying on the Japanese BBS that it sounds kinda likes TKAA/CGMHAY
They're also saying it wasn't played in Osaka, only Tokyo. Heh.. no new pictures yet though.
Aisha_n
08-12-2007, 07:56 AM
Offspring played new song today...
New song name is "HAMMERHEAD"
Im very sad :(
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