The Offspring wrote songs for Ozzy?

[Superdope]

Okay I realize this was many years ago, but my tour of teh internetz had me stumble upon this site, that had an excerpt from an issue of Guitarworld. In this excerpt Guitarist Zakk Wylde blows off some steam at Dave Grohl and The Offspring:

"Nor is Zakk remotely shy about expressing his distaste for some of the songs on Down To Earth or many of the songwriters who contibuted material. He is particularly pissed off at Dave Grohl, the former Nirvana drummer, who now plays guitar with his group, Foo Figters. "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuckin' ass," Zakk fumes. "Because I think he sucks, and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fucking play on, And I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fucking candy-ass girl band, but you got that motherfucker submitting songs, and those douche bags from the Offspring submitting songs too. I mean, none of these guys could play a Randy Rhodes solo if they tried. Dave Grohl? Fuck Dave Grohl! Let him get up there and play 'Mr. Crowley'; he can't fuckin' do it! And it's like you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played for fucking Shitvana?"

anyone know anything about this? I checked "Down to Earth" for personnel, but no sign of Grohl or The Offspring.

[findout5]

I actually knew this. A few years ago Ozzy was "collecting material" for his new album. Dexter wrote a song for Ozzy that he didn't use. I don't think this song has been recorded by The Offspring though, and I'm dead sure Ozzy didn't record it. I also know there were phone conversations - Dexter said it in a interview.

I know of one song/riff that Dave Grohl wrote for Ozzy but ended up on a Foo Fighters album - the song Stacked Actors (from "Nothing Left To Lose"). I'm not sure if there are more...

Zakk Wylde is one of the cheesiest guitar players out there, with all those constantly annoying bendings. He should really wash his mouth with a lot of soap/cleaning products, cos it's pretty full of shit. Anyway...Ozzy is so talented that he doesn't write music, only words and has a contract and all the following he has. Perhaps Zakk should have noted that...or the fact that his own band - Black Label Society sucks more ass than a pornstar! Perhaps Zakk should learn how to write a song...

To conclude, Dexter or Grohl have more talent in their pinkies than Zakk or Ozzy have on both their bodies!

[Moose]

...stacked actors is the best song on that album...that doesnt say much since that album was terrible, but that's a great song.

[Jakebert]

Jesus, while I'm not the biggest Offspring/Foos fan in the world, Zakk Wild is a fucking dickhead.

[Biggest offspring fan]

If i saw this big ugly dickhead Zakk Wild i would beat him up, you just don't throw shit at the offspring.

[the hitcher]

Apart from looking like a bad asterix the viking impersonator
if he did disrespect the offspring or the foos for that matter
he wants castrating.

The Offspring rock above him.

[Ninty Man]

Well..: Zakc Wylde is awesome...

End of thread

[Dexter_italy]

he's a very good guitar player....but a bigger dickhead.....

[findout5]

I also happen to play guitar...and I believe his bendings/dive bombs are FUCKING ANNOYING. Like I said before, perhaps he should learn how to write songs with the guitar, cos the ones he writes are really lame.

Oh, and the Foos 3rd album is pretty sweet.

Rest my case

[holland25]

Well, Zakk is an outstanding guitarist, but I really hate assholes who abuse people they don't even know, or maybe never met before...

[II NOODLES II]

Man thats a bit harsh for the two bands showing generosity towards Ozzy

[T-6005]

Apart from looking like a bad asterix the viking impersonator
if he did disrespect the offspring or the foos for that matter
he wants castrating.

The Offspring rock above him.

Asterix is not a viking.

[ixnay04]

wow....zack freaked out for no reason. no reason at all. What an ego he has.

[randman21]

I've always despised Zakk. He's the Bam Margera of music. Tries entirely to hard to be pissed off. Other than his appearance on ATHF, he's completely useless.

[ilovellamas]

He's quite a talented guitarist/singer, coneman introduced me to some of his acoustic work... very respectable, and a better guitarist than Dave or Dexter... but dude. First of all, if you could write good enough music for your band to play, maybe other people wouldn't have to try to write for you. Second, regardless of circumstances, it's just fucking shitty to talk like that about people who were trying to do a NICE thing for your band. wtf.

[mrconeman]

anyone know anything about this? I checked "Down to Earth" for personnel, but no sign of Grohl or The Offspring.
Yes. It was a whole shitty situation where Zakk started his new band, Black Label Society, so Ozzy decided to A: Look for a new touring guitarist, B: have a bunch of different people writing songs for him, but the thing is Zakk didn't agree to this, he has every right in the world to be that pissed off at the bands trying to write his album for him. It was all resolved in the end though, but the only objection I have to Zakk's little rant is the terribly immature "Shitvana", but his points were entirely understandable when you know the whole situation.

Zakk Wylde is one of the cheesiest guitar players out there, with all those constantly annoying bendings. He should really wash his mouth with a lot of soap/cleaning products, cos it's pretty full of shit. Anyway...Ozzy is so talented that he doesn't write music, only words and has a contract and all the following he has. Perhaps Zakk should have noted that...or the fact that his own band - Black Label Society sucks more ass than a pornstar! Perhaps Zakk should learn how to write a song...

To conclude, Dexter or Grohl have more talent in their pinkies than Zakk or Ozzy have on both their bodies!
Bullfucking shit. Neither Dexter or Dave hold a candle to Zakk wylde in terms of singing, song writing, lyric writing (even though Zakk's lyrics are sub-par at best) or the physical guitar playing. I'm not going to bother going into it though, you're a GOD moron.

Jesus, while I'm not the biggest Offspring/Foos fan in the world, Zakk Wild is a fucking dickhead.
I can see how you'd think it, and yeah chewing out the bands who were asked to write for Ozzy is a bit of a dicky thing to do, but Zakk is actually one of the most down to earth and nicest guys to his fans, theres a new story about him being in a guitar shop and buying kids hella expensive Gibson Les Pauls just for recognising him almost every week. You have to understand he was in a shitty situation.
If i saw this big ugly dickhead Zakk Wild i would beat him up, you just don't throw shit at the offspring.
You're not only an idiot, but to stoop to your level, Zakk Wylde is pretty huge. haha.
He's quite a talented guitarist/singer, coneman introduced me to some of his acoustic work... very respectable, and a better guitarist than Dave or Dexter... but dude. First of all, if you could write good enough music for your band to play, maybe other people wouldn't have to try to write for you. Second, regardless of circumstances, it's just fucking shitty to talk like that about people who were trying to do a NICE thing for your band. wtf.
They weren't doing a nice thing at all though, in his eyes he was being replaced in his own band while he tried to do a bit of a side project. And not only could he write for that album, but he wrote a Black Label Society one while writing Ozzy's. I'd be pissed off too. It is shitty the way he spoke down about the other bands, but every one of his points were valid, writing for Ozzy kind of has a lineage, his points about Dexter and Dave holding absolutely nothing on the likes of Randy Rhoads, or for that matter Tony Iommi, or Jake E Lee, or Zakk himself were perfectly justified. But yes, anyone who's heard Zakk Wylde's solo album would know extremely quickly who the more talented musician is between Dave, Dexter and Zakk. It might not be nice to run your mouth like that, but it's not like he was wrong.

[ilovellamas]

Well, then I can see where he'd be coming from, and I could see how the points could be valid. However, I can't begin to accept that how he spoke was remotely not dickheaded. I doubt that Dexter or Dave was trying to be an asshole, or say they were better musicians than Zakk... more like Ozzy was being a dick. Also, if he's got a problem with these people, I think there are WAYYYYYYY more mature/less disgusting ways of dealing with it. Like, talking to the people involved, rather than ranting and insulting them in a place that will get published.

[mrconeman]

I totally agree, he handeled himself badly given the situation, but y'know, he's not exactly a gentle soul of a man, he looks like a viking lumber jack, and drinks constantly, you can't expect subtlety from the man.
Basically my view is that he was spot on in what he was saying, it's just he could have left the attitude out, but it doesn't really make it any less true.

And yeah, it was Ozzy and Sharon Osbournes doing, anything Ozzy's done in the last 20 some years has been somewhat controlled by Sharon. Who is a cunt. Like, of the highest degree.

[findout5]

My point again:
Zakk Wylde sucks. Offspring + FF Rule. Period.

And Coneman, I don't like being insulted. So, in the immortal words of Eric Cartman: SUCK MY BALLS.

[Jakebert]

Yes. It was a whole shitty situation where Zakk started his new band, Black Label Society, so Ozzy decided to A: Look for a new touring guitarist, B: have a bunch of different people writing songs for him, but the thing is Zakk didn't agree to this, he has every right in the world to be that pissed off at the bands trying to write his album for him. It was all resolved in the end though, but the only objection I have to Zakk's little rant is the terribly immature "Shitvana", but his points were entirely understandable when you know the whole situation.

Bullfucking shit. Neither Dexter or Dave hold a candle to Zakk wylde in terms of singing, song writing, lyric writing (even though Zakk's lyrics are sub-par at best) or the physical guitar playing. I'm not going to bother going into it though, you're a GOD moron..

A lot of other musicians balance a lot more projects with much higher quality than Zakk does. He may have technical skill, but he's a poor songwriter. If he was a better musician, he could have handled all that was on his plate, and done so much more adult-like than spouting off the kind of crap he did there. He sounded like a spoiled child. Zakk generally writes mostly generic butt-rock that, aside from Ozzy's vocals, blends in with everything else in that genre. He has no right to slag off other bands.

And yes, before I get accused of not doing so, I have heard a lot of his solo stuff and stuff with Black Label Society, and I've never been impressed.

I can see how you'd think it, and yeah chewing out the bands who were asked to write for Ozzy is a bit of a dicky thing to do, but Zakk is actually one of the most down to earth and nicest guys to his fans, theres a new story about him being in a guitar shop and buying kids hella expensive Gibson Les Pauls just for recognising him almost every week. You have to understand he was in a shitty situation.

So what if he does nice things, that doesn't mean that he gets an excuse for acting like a douche, regardless of the situation. A musician going around and insulting other bands like that in the press, regardless of the situation, is pretty immature. Even when it's a band I like that does that, I get annoyed by it, mainly because of the ego involved. It's even worse when the person sounds like Venom Symbiote or some generic internet "hardass" while doing so.

And I think most of us are forgetting that Ozzy's solo career, minus his first two albums, has generally been one of the most overrated crap-fests in music history.

[mrconeman]

I don't see where you're disputing anything I said. I'm entirely in agreement with you. It was an assholish way to act, but he's not all bad is all I was saying.

And yes, Ozzy's solo career is an extremely over-rated mess. Besides his work with Randy Rhoads it's majorly hit and miss, with emphasis on the miss.

[findout5]

Sometimes I wonder if Ozzy would be as known as he is if he hadn't been on Black Sabbath (he didn't write his lyrics though, Geezer did).

And I now kind of get the Shitvana talk...he hates Nirvana cos Nirvana KILLED all cock rock...and Zakk does use his guitar as an extension of his small penis...thanks to Nirvana we didn't have to hear Poison, Ratt, Cinderella, Ozzy, Winger and a lot more crap on a daily basis!

[MOTO13]

Bullfucking shit. Neither Dexter or Dave hold a candle to Zakk wylde in terms of singing, song writing, lyric writing (even though Zakk's lyrics are sub-par at best) or the physical guitar playing. I'm not going to bother going into it though, you're a GOD moron.

But yes, anyone who's heard Zakk Wylde's solo album would know extremely quickly who the more talented musician is between Dave, Dexter and Zakk. It might not be nice to run your mouth like that, but it's not like he was wrong.

Zakk's guitar playing, while he is talented, is REALLY f'n annoying. He bends his strings entirely too often, tries too force notes where they DO NOT belong-basically to show off- and plays wayyyyy too much muted (REALLLLY muted) bullshit. Still Born, yeah, that one string wonder of a song is "really" a bitch to play. If that it is best effort, he better shut the hell up and just jerk off to his Randy Rhoades poster.

[ilovellamas]

Zakk's guitar playing, while he is talented, is REALLY f'n annoying. He bends his strings entirely too often, tries too force notes where they DO NOT belong-basically to show off- and plays wayyyyy too much muted (REALLLLY muted) bullshit. Still Born, yeah, that one string wonder of a song is "really" a bitch to play. If that it is best effort, he better shut the hell up and just jerk off to his Randy Rhoades poster.

Dude, nobody was arguing that he's good at writing music. At least I sure hope not. But he's a good guitarist. He's good at playing the guitar- just because the songs he plays have poorly written guitar parts does not mean he's not a good guitarist.

[mrconeman]

Zakk's guitar playing, while he is talented, is REALLY f'n annoying. He bends his strings entirely too often, tries too force notes where they DO NOT belong-basically to show off- and plays wayyyyy too much muted (REALLLLY muted) bullshit. Still Born, yeah, that one string wonder of a song is "really" a bitch to play. If that it is best effort, he better shut the hell up and just jerk off to his Randy Rhoades poster.

What she said ^. But more to the point, I agree he's a very over-rated player, and when you say bend, I think you mean the pinch harmonics that he uses all the damn time, when the guitar squeels and he shakes the note alot? yeah, it's very annoying when not used in moderation. And to clarify, I haven't liked any of his playing past about 10 years ago. Black Label Society is awful, his current work with Ozzy is so downtuned and muddy sounding he might aswell be playing a distorted bass, but he did have some extremely good playing early on in his career, before he shifted into pure speed wankery, he had some great melodies in him.

[SplinterByMyOwnDesign]

The guy is a tool. Dexter and Grohl have more talent than Crap Wylde will ever have. Both artists have wrote a bucket load of albums just by themselves. Let's see Wylde do that.

And yes, sure enough he can shred. So what.

[mrconeman]

mrconemans tip of the day: Take lessons in how not to be a fucking idiot.

[That_Guy91]

The guy is a tool. Dexter and Grohl have more talent than Crap Wylde will ever have. Both artists have wrote a bucket load of albums just by themselves. Let's see Wylde do that.

Hasn't he?

[DeAtHsTaR]

The guy is a tool. Dexter and Grohl have more talent than Crap Wylde will ever have. Both artists have wrote a bucket load of albums just by themselves. Let's see Wylde do that.

You mean the Black Label Society albums that come out at a rate of one a year?

[T-6005]

Ugh, I can't believe this. You're all missing the point. Asterix was NOT a viking!

[Homer]

There's no way he was justified for saying all of that shit. If he's got a problem with somebody, then it should be with Ozzy. Also, that Randy Rhoades comment was entirely stupid. Of course Dexter or Grohl wouldn't be able to play that, because that's not the style they play. They're entirely different kinds of bands.

So, in conclusion: Zakk Wylde should go piss somewhere else.

[mrconeman]

Also, that Randy Rhoades comment was entirely stupid. Of course Dexter or Grohl wouldn't be able to play that, because that's not the style they play. They're entirely different kinds of bands.


That's exactly the point he was making, they're entirely different styles of music, hence those bands shoult not be writing for Ozzy.

[ilovellamas]

The guy is a tool. Dexter and Grohl have more talent than Crap Wylde will ever have. Both artists have wrote a bucket load of albums just by themselves. Let's see Wylde do that.

And yes, sure enough he can shred. So what.
Wow, this is the dumbest post in this thread. Dexter and Dave have more song-writing talent than Zakk, but Zakk is easily the superior musician. You honestly think that song-writing trumps musicianship of any form? Seriously?

There's no way he was justified for saying all of that shit. If he's got a problem with somebody, then it should be with Ozzy. Also, that Randy Rhoades comment was entirely stupid. Of course Dexter or Grohl wouldn't be able to play that, because that's not the style they play. They're entirely different kinds of bands.

So, in conclusion: Zakk Wylde should go piss somewhere else.

Yes, he should've been mad at Ozzy, not at Dexter and Dave... because Ozzy did ask them to do it. Dexter and Dave weren't trying to say "hey man, your music sucks, how about playing some good stuff for a change? *hands music*"

I don't think that not being able to play the music you write/play should stop you from writing music for that, though. Mozart wrote for an entire orchestra, but only knew how to play piano- which isn't even in an orchestra. Most of the best writers who ever lived could write for many genres, styles, and instruments, regardless of whether they themselves could play it. I really think that's irrelevant.