Artists are stupid

[nieh]

So, apparently some Italian 'artist' had the bright idea to hitchhike from Milan to the middle east while wearing a wedding dress to promote peace and trust. Her raped, naked body was found in some bushes in Gebze, Turkey.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=138906&bolum

Also, there's another 'artist' whose exhibit consists of taking in a stray dog off the street, tying it up on display, and letting it starve to death. It's supposed to highlight mankind's hypocrisy. He tried it once a year ago and the dog managed to escape after a day, but he's doing it again now. http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=214619&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=31026

[Amiralanal]

Maybe the dog raped the chick in the bushes

[Sunny]

modern art pisses me right the fuck off. it seems like most "artists" these days are egotistical asshats with no creativity whatsoever thinking "hm. what could i possibly do to come off as edgy?"

for the record, egotistical asshattery is a-ok if you have talent to back it up (see Salvador Dali). otherwise, it just makes you a ginormous prick.

[Vera]

Meh. The Italian lady was just stupid, though that's an awful fate for anybody.

A Finnish video artist caused a controversy because in one of his works, he killed a cat and taped it. He made the video so that there were cuts between warfare footage and the cat killing tape I guess to make the same point as the starving doggy artist. People made a huge fuss about, naturally, indicating that they too missed the point (what's a couple of hundred war victims when a cat's getting slaughtered?).

I get the point (people homeless, people starving and yet people in general would show more concern for the starving dog) and I also understand why they need to go to these drastic measures to "shake society up" or whatever, but I still strongly disapprove of it.

In the case of the cat killing, the comment doesn't seem entirely relevant in Finland - we sure as fuck are not attacking anybody and getting ourselves in military conflict if we can avoid it. Also, the way I see it, the footage of people dying in war existed. The cat was alive before he made the video tape. It just seems cruel and unnecessary - and if the point is, "wars are cruel and unnecessary", why the fuck do you need to get the cat involved? I mean, it's just a cat but still, I react strongly to animal rights violations, I guess.

The starving doggy thing seems even more fucking pointless, to be honest.

[wheelchairman]

Hey at least none of these artists will ever be as famous as participants of Idols (who are only famous until the show has run its course, then they are completely forgotten.)

[T-6005]

Hey at least none of these artists will ever be as famous as participants of Idols (who are only famous until the show has run its course, then they are completely forgotten.)
Except for Kelly Clarkson.

[Endymion]

a ginormous prick.

vincent gallo?

[DexterWannabe]

Except for Kelly Clarkson.

And Carrie Underwood

[wheelchairman]

Except for Kelly Clarkson.

And Carrie Underwood

Neither of which are particularly well known over here.

[Sunny]

vincent gallo?

hey, i'm trying to eat here!

[Drafan]

Middle east is not the best region to promote peace and trust. At least very original way to die, but not artistic.

[Mota Boy]

Oh man, the nation of Turkey must feel so damned embarrassed over this. "Great, an Italian peace activist comes over to make a point about trusting mankind, and what do we do to her?"

A Finnish video artist caused a controversy because in one of his works, he killed a cat and taped it. He made the video so that there were cuts between warfare footage and the cat killing tape I guess to make the same point as the starving doggy artist. People made a huge fuss about, naturally, indicating that they too missed the point (what's a couple of hundred war victims when a cat's getting slaughtered?).

I get the point (people homeless, people starving and yet people in general would show more concern for the starving dog) and I also understand why they need to go to these drastic measures to "shake society up" or whatever, but I still strongly disapprove of it.

In the case of the cat killing, the comment doesn't seem entirely relevant in Finland - we sure as fuck are not attacking anybody and getting ourselves in military conflict if we can avoid it. Also, the way I see it, the footage of people dying in war existed. The cat was alive before he made the video tape. It just seems cruel and unnecessary - and if the point is, "wars are cruel and unnecessary", why the fuck do you need to get the cat involved? I mean, it's just a cat but still, I react strongly to animal rights violations, I guess.Yeah, how fucking full of yourself do you have to be to think that murdering an animal is worth making your point, especially when it's a point so commonly made that it's practically cliché, it's practically a self-parody of a "deep thought"? Human beings don't spend their free time caring equal amounts about all the suffering that exists over the entire planet: fact of life. Stop attention-whoring as if you're going to change anything other than the life of that one specific creature you're killing.

[Andy]

asshat

This is my new favourite word.

[ilovellamas]

So, apparently some Italian 'artist' had the bright idea to hitchhike from Milan to the middle east while wearing a wedding dress to promote peace and trust. Her raped, naked body was found in some bushes in Gebze, Turkey.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=138906&bolum

Also, there's another 'artist' whose exhibit consists of taking in a stray dog off the street, tying it up on display, and letting it starve to death. It's supposed to highlight mankind's hypocrisy. He tried it once a year ago and the dog managed to escape after a day, but he's doing it again now. http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=214619&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=31026

I prefer to just say in the first one that Italians are stupid. Not really, but it seems more of an ignorant western idea than an ignorant artist idea.

The second person... well a few people summed up already why that's just stupid.

Meh. The Italian lady was just stupid, though that's an awful fate for anybody.

A Finnish video artist caused a controversy because in one of his works, he killed a cat and taped it. He made the video so that there were cuts between warfare footage and the cat killing tape I guess to make the same point as the starving doggy artist. People made a huge fuss about, naturally, indicating that they too missed the point (what's a couple of hundred war victims when a cat's getting slaughtered?).

I get the point (people homeless, people starving and yet people in general would show more concern for the starving dog) and I also understand why they need to go to these drastic measures to "shake society up" or whatever, but I still strongly disapprove of it.

In the case of the cat killing, the comment doesn't seem entirely relevant in Finland - we sure as fuck are not attacking anybody and getting ourselves in military conflict if we can avoid it. Also, the way I see it, the footage of people dying in war existed. The cat was alive before he made the video tape. It just seems cruel and unnecessary - and if the point is, "wars are cruel and unnecessary", why the fuck do you need to get the cat involved? I mean, it's just a cat but still, I react strongly to animal rights violations, I guess.

The starving doggy thing seems even more fucking pointless, to be honest.

God yes. All of it. I'm fully aware that it bothers me more on a personal level to see an animal be murdered, than for innocent people to be murdered in a different country that I never see. Nobody is saying it's right or just or fair... but it's not like we're unaware of it. Killing animals to make that point... is, well, kind of pointless.

Neither of which are particularly well known over here.

Which is why it's called AMERICAN Idol and not Danish Idol. :D

[wheelchairman]

Well Danes have the good sense to forget everyone who participated in every one of these shows.

No one even remembers EyeQ or Jon. Or Christian for that matter. It's nice.

[Marco]

Have I read correctly? Is the italian woman's name"Pippa Bacca"? That means she's called " Berry Handjob" :eek:

[Duskygrin]

Ha! Haha. That's too strong. I didn't know frenchies and italianos had the same word for blowjob. Well for you it seems to be a handjob. Ha. Too good.

[Andy]

"Berry Handjob" :eek:

I think I went to school with her.

[Not Ozymandias]

vincent gallo?
I'm convinced that was a stunt cock. Chloe Sevigny's fucked up, but not that fucked up.

[Not Ozymandias]

So, apparently some Italian 'artist' had the bright idea to hitchhike from Milan to the middle east while wearing a wedding dress to promote peace and trust. Her raped, naked body was found in some bushes in Gebze, Turkey.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=138906&bolum
Death to all Turks! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[IamSam]

Death to all Turks! :mad: :mad: :mad:

My guess is it wasn't the Turks, but rather an immigrant band of Syrians.


The dog one is what pisses me off. Art is not starving a dog. Art is sculpture that we can't replicate today because we no longer have the drive nor the tools to do it. Art is the roof of the Sistine Chapel. Art is taking raw components and creating something from them. What did this 'artist' create? Death? If that's the case then call me an artist because I've killed an annoying fly before. He was pissing me off and a I caught the fat bastard, filled a Tupperware container with water, and froze him in my deep freezer.

Art. Please.

[JohnnyNemesis]

So, we're shitting on rape victims here?

Actually, upon second glance, I know that's not quite anyone's intention or point, but there is something I find kind of weird about categorizing her as "stupid" after what happened. And I guess rape is a sensitive issue for me, so don't mind me. But I'm also not ready to completely play into the "self-important artist" stereotype without actually trying to wrap my head around what they're trying to accomplish first; that strikes me as lazy thinking right there.

Except for that second story about killing the dog. Fuck that one. That shit is fucking ridiculous.

[IamSam]

So, we're shitting on rape victims here?

Actually, upon second glance, I know that's not quite anyone's intention or point, but there is something I find kind of weird about categorizing her as "stupid" after what happened. And I guess rape is a sensitive issue for me, so don't mind me. But I'm also not ready to completely play into the "self-important artist" stereotype without actually trying to wrap my head around what they're trying to accomplish first; that strikes me as lazy thinking right there.

Except for that second story about killing the dog. Fuck that one. That shit is fucking ridiculous.

I agree that it is wrong and insensitive to call her stupid. If she didn't feel comfortable she probably would not have gone on the walk or whatever. I don't think anyone is really 'shitting' on rape victims in general, but rather shitting on her form of art. It was a tragedy what happened to her. I figured with rape being a vile thing that it was without question what people thought about it, I just chose to voice my opinion about the dog issue.

[nieh]

Actually, upon second glance, I know that's not quite anyone's intention or point, but there is something I find kind of weird about categorizing her as "stupid" after what happened. And I guess rape is a sensitive issue for me, so don't mind me. But I'm also not ready to completely play into the "self-important artist" stereotype without actually trying to wrap my head around what they're trying to accomplish first; that strikes me as lazy thinking right there.

I'm not the kind of person that ever thinks the rape victim asked for it because the person that commits the rape is obviously the one in the wrong, and I'm not the kind of person that says "oh she was dressed like a slut and drunk, if she didn't do this or if she did this she could've prevented it from happening" because I know that's bullshit and it shouldn't be a double standard that a guy can go out and drink but a girl can't without having to worry about being raped. But hitchhiking in general is frowned upon as being one of the most stupid and dangerous things you can do, ANYWHERE, for anyone, male or female. Hitchhiking from Milan to the middle east, ALONE, for any reason, is fucking moronic. To swipe from someone on my other board, it's akin to sticking your hands in honey and walking around a bunch of bears and expecting them not to touch you. She willingly put her trust in strangers, intentionally put herself in harm's way and naively expected everyone to play nice and not take advantage of her. She wasn't asking for it, and she didn't DESERVE it because no one does, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to say she couldn't have easily prevented it. Even a guy would've been insane to attempt something like that and would've been almost as likely to have ended up dead, or assaulted in some way or another (though not necessarily raped).

edit: hai guyz, I'm not racist but...

yeah, I stand by my point but wish I sounded less defensive doing so.

[Not Ozymandias]

A woman hitchhiking to/through the MIDDLE EAST is fucking stupid. Darwin Award-type stupid.

[khaaaaan]

Neither of which are particularly well known over here.

That's cause you don't watch TV or read commercials. Both are pretty famous right about now.

[wheelchairman]

Johnny, it was stupid. You would expect a reasonably intelligent person to not only do a bit of research into the activity she was partaking, but also the regions she was going to hitchhike through.

Then you would also assume that she would take measures to at least ensure her safety as well.

These things seem exceedingly basic to me.

Phil, perhaps they are. But they are only 2 of dozens of American idols-type show winners that have achieved any fame. Wait dozens, I mean many many many more than that. As far as I can recall I believe the first was O-town. Lol. The chances off lasting fame from these shows is almost zero. Although good for Clarkson and what's her name.

[Not Ozymandias]

Oh man, the nation of Turkey must feel so damned embarrassed over this.
They aren't ashamed of committing a HOLOCAUST 90 years ago. This is nothing.

[JohnnyNemesis]

nieh and wheelchairman: good points, and I hear ya.

[Sunny]

i'm just going to repeat what others have said: there is a difference between victim blaming and acknowledging that she did something really stupid. she didn't *deserve* it or have it coming to her, but for fuck's sakes hitch hiking to the middle east in a wedding dress?

[HornyPope]

I think she just wanted to be really edgy.

[Mota Boy]

You know, to step back and remove the human dimension from this, you have to admit that she did end up pulling off a shocking performance piece that has gotten the world and the region talking and thinking about her ideals. Not in the way she envisioned it, of course, but in a way that's popularized her message far more than it ever would have been had she actually completed her journey. It made a helluva point. Just, you know, the opposite one.

[HornyPope]

You know, to step back and remove the human dimension from this, you have to admit that she did end up pulling off a shocking performance piece that has gotten the world and the region talking and thinking about her ideals. Not in the way she envisioned it, of course, but in a way that's popularized her message far more than it ever would have been had she actually completed her journey. It made a helluva point. Just, you know, the opposite one.

She's like that stupid pacifist who jumped in front of a buldozer. Bravo ladies, you truly taught us just how violent the middle east can get.

[JohnnyNemesis]

Animal lovers and rights activists have claimed that the dog died from starvation after the show, but Juanita Bermudez, director of the gallery, insists that Natividad was untied at all times except for the three hours the exhibition lasted, was regularly fed by the artist, and escaped after a day. Vargas said that the piece meant to test the public and that none of the exhibition's visitors intervened to help the animal. He would not reveal whether the dog lived through the exhibition, but did say he has received dozens of death threats.

(Source:
http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/27240/alleged-animal-abuse-sparks-outrage-against-artist/ (http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/27240/alleged-animal-abuse-sparks-outrage-against-artist/))

Oh. Well then. My bad?

[nieh]

Ok, then that makes him a liar for claiming he was starving the dog but not an animal abuser because he didn't actually do it which means the anger at him for starving them was invalid but the 'attention whore' and 'stupid artist' ideas still stand. Silly questions: how can the dog have possibly escaped after a single day and how exactly does one "intervene" at an exhibit like that without potentially getting escorted out by police?

[Sunny]

regardless of whether he is a worthless, animal abusing sack of shit or not, he's still an attention whore and a shitty artist. everything else aside, the point he's trying to make is poorly thought out and "duh" worthy. like, wow. "people are hypocrites". well, damn, that's deep, buddy. go die now plz.

and if he had indeed intended to starve the dog... the thought that he has his head lodged so far up his ass to consider sacrificing another life to prove his pitiful point is terrifying to say the least.

[Mota Boy]

So... (http://yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24528)

You've probably heard of the Yale art major's suddenly world-famous senior thesis. Just to make sure you're caught up: it was real, then it was a hoax, now it's real again with a slight language shift to account for the uncertainty the... uh, project, necessarily entailed.

I hope it inspires some sort of discourse, Shvarts said. Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it's not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone.Oh, that sounds reasonable. Whatever could have made people upset?

Shvarts said her project would take the form of a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Shvarts said she would wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around the cube, with blood from her self-induced miscarriages lining the sheeting.

Recorded videos of her experiencing her miscarriages would be projected onto the four sides of the cube, Shvarts said, and similar videos would also be displayed on the walls of the room.Oh.

For a nice summation from a fellow classmate: "Congratulations, Aliza Shvarts '08: you have single-handedly trivialized not only an entire generation and a half's fight to gain and retain the right to choose, through harassment and against massive odds, but also history of women's struggles, not only politically, but with the emotional, moral, and spiritual impacts of the choice to terminate a pregnancy. You also spit upon every couple who has tried, and failed, sometimes repeatedly, to have children. it is the emotional impact of these struggles, emotional impact that you shamelessly exploit, not explore, in your senior project."

What, interestingly, popped into my mind when I read about this was Dr. Strangelove. This girl is the artistic equivalent of the "mad scientist" - the person so driven in his pursuit of raw science that human considerations and the impact of his creation become trivial compared to pushing the boundaries of possibility.

[IamSam]

What ever happened to painting a picture or making a sculpture?

[JohnnyNemesis]

Sounds hot.

[Endymion]

i dunno, i get the feeling it'd be hella into her if i knew her.

[Vera]

Oh fuck, knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread while eating breakfast.

[nieh]

i dunno, i get the feeling it'd be hella into her if i knew her.

Yeah, but only because you'd be hoping a little piece of you might work its way into her exhibit.

[Sunny]

Oh fuck, knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread while eating breakfast.

...want some salt with your abortions? :D