US missile defence system in Europe

[Raptor88]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6720153.stm

What are your thoughts? While the intention may be good, it created even more tension between US and Russia, and could lead to a new cold war.

edit: probably the cold war is exaggeration of the problem

[F@ BANKZ]

Since Russia has taken the proposition lightly there is no cause for concern unless the situation escalates; it's not like we killed one of their spies on their own soil. Relationships between Russia and The West are still stable even during the Georgian crisis, and it's clear that Russia acknowledges there is need for better nuclear-defence for that area (if I remember correctly they were actually the ones who suggested that a defence system be put there in the first place).

[BurningInRed]

Really? I heard they were pretty ape-shit at Poland right now for agreeing to it, even going as far as saying "we have nukes - bow down bitches" and such.

[Raptor88]

Really? I heard they were pretty ape-shit at Poland right now for agreeing to it, even going as far as saying "we have nukes - bow down bitches" and such.

I heard on the news that they stated Poland will have to face the consequences and will be punished...

[Superdope]

It's just words. It's not in Russia's interest to start another cold war, and the same goes for the States.

The missile defence system is a way for the Americans to tell the Russians to relax, and of course they had to respond to it, but I doubt it will go any further than that.

Besides, it's still in the planning phase, there's plenty of time to talk things over.

[Raptor88]

It's just words. It's not in Russia's interest to start another cold war, and the same goes for the States.

The missile defence system is a way for the Americans to tell the Russians to relax, and of course they had to respond to it, but I doubt it will go any further than that.

Besides, it's still in the planning ohase, there's plenty of time to talk things over.

You're probably right. I hope that they would find a solution that will suit everyone.

[IamSam]

The Russians have no reason to be pissy. It's a missile defense system, not a missile assault system.

[wheelchairman]

It can't lead to a new cold war. Russia's strength is oil. They can hold it from Europe for a period of time, but it's not like they have pipelines anywhere else. What are they gonna do? Not sell it?

There's not gonna be a cold war. Naturally Russia feels like this is an encroachment, but they were also offered to be part of the defense. However why would they need protection from missiles from their ally Iran? Which is supposedly what the whole thing is for.

[F@ BANKZ]

Iran has evinced its capability to launch missiles with enough range to reach as far as where the defense system is scheduled to be located. By the time they hypothetically develop a nuclear weapon it would be too late to build a defence system to not be exposed to a nuclear threat.

[wheelchairman]

Iran's missiles aren't a huge worry. In this case the MAD effect would still be...in effect. They are only building them to ensure that they won't be invaded. Which is why they are so frantic about it.

[metalmania]

hm.american war ships in black sea now!:rolleyes: why? they say that " hey world we re there for help georgia's people" haha! if you bring to help there,why you re bringing this help with war ships .its a big lie. usa just wanna to become established there remember they say 5 years ago " hey world we found dangerous weapons in iraq so we will save people and we will bring the freedom there":rolleyes: but where re the weapons? and all world saw the reality :they came iraq for oil in kerkuk,musul. they say always "freedom,humanity blablabla" they just want the money-oil . its a simple explanation about usa-georgia-russia :D

[IamSam]

hm.american war ships in black sea now!:rolleyes: why? they say that " hey world we re there for help georgia's people" haha! if you bring to help there,why you re bringing this help with war ships .its a big lie. usa just wanna to become established there remember they say 5 years ago " hey world we found dangerous weapons in iraq so we will save people and we will bring the freedom there":rolleyes: but where re the weapons? and all world saw the reality :they came iraq for oil in kerkuk,musul. they say always "freedom,humanity blablabla" they just want the money-oil . its a simple explanation about usa-georgia-russia :D

Ignorant fool.

[metalmania]

oh my little uncle sam :D

[Hombre]

hm.american war ships in black sea now!:rolleyes: why? they say that " hey world we re there for help georgia's people" haha! if you bring to help there,why you re bringing this help with war ships .its a big lie. usa just wanna to become established there remember they say 5 years ago " hey world we found dangerous weapons in iraq so we will save people and we will bring the freedom there":rolleyes: but where re the weapons? and all world saw the reality :they came iraq for oil in kerkuk,musul. they say always "freedom,humanity blablabla" they just want the money-oil . its a simple explanation about usa-georgia-russia :D
Good message!:cool:

[IamSam]

It might be the American welling up inside me, but I don't think any of you understand how much I would like to drown some idiots around here as if they were puppies I didn't love.

[Commie]

Honestly, I don't understand why does Poland allow this defense system to be build, 'cause if it is going to be build - than Poland would be the first country to get a nuclear strike.

And, by the way, there is not much talk about this system in Russia, among ordinary people:) All the news here are still about Georgia and about some other international events - not much (if any) about this defense system.

Poland has preconceived attitude towards Russia, due to... hmmm... to some historical reasons:) So may be this is the reason for the talks about Russian saying "we have nukes - bow down bitches"... at least nobody says like that in the streets and I haven't heard anybody saying that on TV.

[Sunny]

Poland has preconceived attitude towards Russia, due to... hmmm... to some historical reasons:)

yeah, that's putting it lightly.

[Raptor88]

Poland has preconceived attitude towards Russia, due to... hmmm... to some historical reasons:)

Why did you put this happy smiley in this sentence? I don't think that Polish users would find this funny...

[Jojan]

USA should just do the rest of the world a favour and die. USA is too big and has too much influence on everything.

[Shank]

USA should just do the rest of the world a favour and die.

That's a bit harsh don't you think?

[metalmania]

hm usa is livin' the one of biggest crisis of history.i think usa tried to reach to allworld and their economy couldnt carry this.oil wars,weapons and different places,faraway countris and now usa's economy's so bad,the government is tryin' to fix it,this crisis can come to england too.cause this is an effective factor for europe.russia's exchange is even so bad now and their government's searchin' the ways of salvation from this.anyway bad policies,bad governments re still working;)

[IamSam]

hm usa is livin' the one of biggest crisis of history.i think usa tried to reach to allworld and their economy couldnt carry this.oil wars,weapons and different places,faraway countris and now usa's economy's so bad,the government is tryin' to fix it,this crisis can come to england too.cause this is an effective factor for europe.russia's exchange is even so bad now and their government's searchin' the ways of salvation from this.anyway bad policies,bad governments re still working;)

I hope that you realize that this effects the entire world, not just America.

PS: Stick to what the thread is about, you kneecap. This is about the missile defense system that Russia believes threatens its national security. Defense. Defense threatening a country. Laughable at best.

[jacknife737]

hm usa is livin' the one of biggest crisis of history.i think usa tried to reach to allworld and their economy couldnt carry this.oil wars,weapons and different places,faraway countris and now usa's economy's so bad,the government is tryin' to fix it,this crisis can come to england too.cause this is an effective factor for europe.russia's exchange is even so bad now and their government's searchin' the ways of salvation from this.anyway bad policies,bad governments re still working;)

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[metalmania]

yes sure its not just for usa ,i know but i said just reasons of this crisis,its valid for all countries. just mistake policies did it! and what do u think about it?

[IamSam]

yes sure its not just for usa ,i know but i said just reasons of this crisis,its valid for all countries. just mistake policies did it! and what do u think about it?

Make a thread about it and I will talk about it.

[HeadAroundU]

There's another problem. NATO is reaching Russian border. I think that Russia has a right to be pissed off. I was watching the disscusion with Zakaria on CNN, they were talking about splitting Ukraine, don't remember exactly how. I should probably look for it on youtube.

As for US missile defence system, I love the fact how it's placed in Poland and Czech Republic. They both H8 Russia for the past. The reason why they want it is probably because of the boost in local economy and acquiring the new technology.

EU totally fails here. It should be a decision of the entire EU. Not just Poland and Czech Republic. Either that or EU needs a president. I suggest Sarkozy. I love how he is against US defence system. We look like a fucking clowns. If there is a threat from Iran, we should build our own defence system. EU should be independent and the balance for the world peace. Let's break away from NATO. If there is a need for a defence system, and we can't build it, let USA and Russia build 2 defensive systems here.