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enchiladitos
03-10-2005, 04:44 PM
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time? Sure they ushered in a new sound of music along with Pearl Jam and granted they aren't a bad band but that's about it. Most of their songs are overtly depressing and can only be listened to a few times before you get tired of them. Someone please back me up on this.
Anya82
03-10-2005, 04:45 PM
this has already been discussed SO many times.....
whatever you think... i like nirvana
JohnnyNemesis
03-10-2005, 06:04 PM
Nirvana is a wonderful band, and I really like them. But yes, they are immensely overrated. Classic case of "right place, right time" when they hit it big.
NIX-on-the-MAN
03-10-2005, 06:19 PM
Everyone loves Nirvana. Hell I love Nirvana. But the cold, naked truth is that they are overrated, WAY... overrated...
Their good, but not great.
dirtybird
03-10-2005, 07:33 PM
I love Nirvana. Fuck all of you who think they are overrated. I'm not commenting on this topic anymore.
Anya82
03-10-2005, 09:04 PM
I love Nirvana. Fuck all of you who think they are overrated. I'm not commenting on this topic anymore.
oh, no! please! please! keep on posting!!! :rolleyes:
come on!!! :rolleyes:
hehehehe
dirtybird
03-10-2005, 10:36 PM
I was merely stating that this topic has been posted about too many times.
Piedude
03-11-2005, 10:03 AM
Good band, but very overrated, and whoevers in charge is just trying to get as much money out of this dead band as possible, endless Kurt Cobain hoodies, the Nirvana box, and whats this kerrang tells me about a re-release of Nvermind? Now whats the point in that...
Serafin Negro
03-11-2005, 02:19 PM
I'm crazy about Nirvana, for me that's not onlmy the songs but the lyrics too! :)
original_psycho
03-11-2005, 02:27 PM
I like them very much, but I agree, they are overrated.
Meh, I like them anyway, overrated or not.
Noodles is gay
03-11-2005, 04:04 PM
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time? Sure they ushered in a new sound of music along with Pearl Jam and granted they aren't a bad band but that's about it. Most of their songs are overtly depressing and can only be listened to a few times before you get tired of them. Someone please back me up on this.
no, it is not just you.
yes, they are over-rated.
oh...and they suck.
dexterisMYman
03-11-2005, 07:29 PM
nirvana is a great band whos music became popular. they write great music so i like them
Serafin Negro
03-12-2005, 02:08 AM
oh...and they suck.
FUCK you!!! :mad:
Inferno
03-12-2005, 02:13 AM
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time? Sure they ushered in a new sound of music along with Pearl Jam and granted they aren't a bad band but that's about it. Most of their songs are overtly depressing and can only be listened to a few times before you get tired of them. Someone please back me up on this.
they are the most overrated band of all time :cool:
saska de o...
03-12-2005, 02:43 AM
i like Nirvana and i disagree...
enchiladitos
03-12-2005, 09:18 AM
they are the most overrated band of all time :cool:
I would be willing to back you up on that.
dexterisMYman
03-12-2005, 09:23 AM
no i dont thik they are. just cuz the music bcomes popular they're overated? i dont see how...i mean ive heard ppl call them a sell out. but never overated.
Moose
03-12-2005, 10:17 AM
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time? Sure they ushered in a new sound of music along with Pearl Jam and granted they aren't a bad band but that's about it. Most of their songs are overtly depressing and can only be listened to a few times before you get tired of them. Someone please back me up on this.
you are an idiot...thats basically all i can say...your backing up your point by saying their music was depressing, but said all they did was start a musical revolution and arent a bad band...you are probably 14 or something and dont understand the affect they had on music and the world...its like looking back and saying what did the beatles do that was so great...they were the first to do it and then a billion repeats of bands after them, so if you werent around then and arent intelligent enough to understand the affects, then you wouldnt see the beatles or nirvana as a special kind of band. im done with you.
Mannen som blev en gris
03-12-2005, 10:46 AM
Nirvana were great and without them Offspring probably wouldn't sound the same. But, as we all know, Kurt killed himself 3 years after they became popular, and because of that, they stopped at their top. If he wouldn't kill himself, they would probably make some bad records and people wouldn't think they where so great.
Somewhere I read that there where four bullets in the shotgun he shot himself with. And that is pretty unnecissery if you wanna comit suicide. So perhaps it wasn't a suicde.... :eek:
dexterisMYman
03-12-2005, 10:51 AM
Do ne of u think the offspring sound like nirvana? i dont but i heard ppl say that they do.
Mannen som blev en gris
03-12-2005, 10:53 AM
Do ne of u think the offspring sound like nirvana? i dont but i heard ppl say that they do.
They don't sound like Nirvana but if you listen to some songs on Smash you can see that Nirvana where the ones who insperied them. But perhaps I'm the only one who thinks so.
dexterisMYman
03-12-2005, 10:54 AM
no ur not i no a lot of ppl who think that.
enchiladitos
03-13-2005, 08:13 AM
you are an idiot...thats basically all i can say...your backing up your point by saying their music was depressing, but said all they did was start a musical revolution and arent a bad band...you are probably 14 or something and dont understand the affect they had on music and the world...its like looking back and saying what did the beatles do that was so great...they were the first to do it and then a billion repeats of bands after them, so if you werent around then and arent intelligent enough to understand the affects, then you wouldnt see the beatles or nirvana as a special kind of band. im done with you.
Look you shit, I am talking about the music they made not their lasting effects on music. I do realize that without this genre of music that became wildly popular in the early 90's the music scene would be vastly different but even if they hadnt come around such bands as Pearl Jam and Soundgarden could have easily filled the void so I wouldn't credit them solely with sparking the change in music.
Moose
03-13-2005, 04:41 PM
Look you shit, I am talking about the music they made not their lasting effects on music. I do realize that without this genre of music that became wildly popular in the early 90's the music scene would be vastly different but even if they hadnt come around such bands as Pearl Jam and Soundgarden could have easily filled the void so I wouldn't credit them solely with sparking the change in music.
but they were the one's who sparked it for soundgarden and pearl jam...pearl jam wouldnt have been able to hold up that title and soundgarden isnt a band that wants all the spotlight...kurt cobain was meant to change everything...and then he was meant to end before it went to shit.
the music they created was brilliant, that is why it created a revolution...
dirtybird
03-13-2005, 05:00 PM
Nirvana were great and without them Offspring probably wouldn't sound the same. But, as we all know, Kurt killed himself 3 years after they became popular, and because of that, they stopped at their top. If he wouldn't kill himself, they would probably make some bad records and people wouldn't think they where so great.
Somewhere I read that there where four bullets in the shotgun he shot himself with. And that is pretty unnecissery if you wanna comit suicide. So perhaps it wasn't a suicde.... :eek:
I thought he o.d.ed?
enchiladitos
03-13-2005, 08:46 PM
I thought he o.d.ed?
nope dude, he took a 12 gauge to his head.
dirtybird
03-13-2005, 10:16 PM
nope dude, he took a 12 gauge to his head.
Guess I was just too lazy to read the articles. Then again, I was 4 that year.
KuRt_CoBaiN
11-20-2005, 01:50 PM
NIRVANA WERE BEST.
NIRVANA isn't overrated
Fuck all of you who think they are overrated.
offspring fan
11-20-2005, 01:52 PM
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time? Sure they ushered in a new sound of music along with Pearl Jam and granted they aren't a bad band but that's about it. Most of their songs are overtly depressing and can only be listened to a few times before you get tired of them. Someone please back me up on this.
you sir.
are an idiot
Yatesy
11-20-2005, 01:53 PM
Nirvana are overrated in the sense that their music isn't that great, but they aren't overrated in the sense that they were one of the most influencial bands around.
China Boy
11-20-2005, 03:10 PM
NIRVANA WERE BEST.
NIRVANA isn't overrated
Fuck all of you who think they are overrated.
Are you Kurt Cobain's spirit?
I think Nirvana was a very good band, but extremely overrated.
Apathy
11-20-2005, 03:13 PM
Still good, but very overated. Like Sublime. They kick ass, but are overated.
As a general rule, if your music was halfway decent and your lead singer dies, everyone will love you.
Revolver-2005?
11-20-2005, 03:17 PM
i hate them, and never liked them, i tried but honestly their musics too depressing and just not my thing
All About Eve
11-20-2005, 05:22 PM
Nirvana is a wonderful band, and I really like them. But yes, they are immensely overrated. Classic case of "right place, right time" when they hit it big.
Along with the sacrificed artist element. I completely agree with your whole post, congratulations.
dalaksta
11-20-2005, 05:28 PM
i dont think so
their music is awsome
if you ask me
ShutUpYouFuckingMime
11-20-2005, 07:34 PM
I hate this band. I'm not going to deny their influence on the music industry, but still hate them.
dain84
11-20-2005, 07:42 PM
Do ne of u think the offspring sound like nirvana? i dont but i heard ppl say that they do.
Dirty Magic, Self Esteem, and Amazed ALL sound like Nirvana.
Dirty Magic is very reminiscent of Come as You Are.
Amazed is something that sounds like Nirvana or Bush.
Self Esteem got its riff from Smells Like Teen Spirit, and so does Little Things by Bush.
dain84
11-20-2005, 07:43 PM
nope dude, he took a 12 gauge to his head.
No, it was a 20 gauge. Also, he had three times the lethal dose of heroine in his body.
KuRt_CoBaiN
11-20-2005, 08:58 PM
fuck You All
nirvana Was Best Band
and NIRVANA werent Overrated
Moose
11-20-2005, 10:34 PM
nirvana werent overrated...the only case you could possibly make for this is that so many shit bands came after them...and the original comments were just stupid...overly depressing? grow up...but no they werent overrated at all...they brought a new sound, a musical revolution...its hard to imagine to do that, and then be considered overrated...it just doesnt make sense...i think we all take nirvana for granted. just put on an album, some of us may not even remember the last time we listened to nirvana, but when you put on a nirvana album, you remember exactly why they are one of the greatest bands ever.
SkunkIt
11-21-2005, 12:46 AM
fuck You All
nirvana Was Best Band
and NIRVANA werent Overrated
Stop reviving old threads.
bd007h
11-21-2005, 01:25 AM
I wonder how pissed he'd be if I told him that that quote "It's better to burn out than to fade away" wasn't originally from Kurt Cobain. Kurt quoted Neil Young.
ShutUpYouFuckingMime
11-21-2005, 05:47 AM
nirvana werent overrated...the only case you could possibly make for this is that so many shit bands came after them...and the original comments were just stupid...overly depressing? grow up...but no they werent overrated at all...they brought a new sound, a musical revolution...its hard to imagine to do that, and then be considered overrated...it just doesnt make sense...i think we all take nirvana for granted. just put on an album, some of us may not even remember the last time we listened to nirvana, but when you put on a nirvana album, you remember exactly why they are one of the greatest bands ever.
They were overrated because they made shit music. I'm not even saying this as an opinion. It's true. Listen to a Nirvana song tell me it's good. The instruments and vocals are mediocre at best. Kurt sounds like a boy going through puberty. They're overrated because people liked this crap. They just knew how to market their image well. Teen angst was huge. Wait, it still is. But in a different way, sort of. The point is, I'm not denying they had any influence or significance to the music industry, because they did, it's just they did it with really really really bad music.
Kurt's suicide made Kurt some kind of martyr of the underground scene, a victim of popularity.
when really he was just clinically depressed. he had been his whole life, & STILL people try to convince the world it was homicide. it's creepy how the human mind works. it believes whatever it wants to believe & I don't think anyone would ever have accepted he was that lost, sad, depressed & hopeless, because we don't even want to know that's possible.
I remember when he died. I was nine, one month away from being ten. my grandfather died not too long before (or after, can't remember) from an insane carcrash, we still don't entirely understand. I guess that's how I remember.
no one in my environment cared too much about Kurt's death. I remember people raised their eyebrows & then moved on. but then again, the Netherlands is incredibly down to earth. my brother already used to listen to Nirvana, but then the craze started. we ALL had to listen to Nirvana. & I thought that was fine, I really liked his MTV Unplugged CD, but my poor parents... & every time he'd put one of his CD's on, he'd sigh; "such a shame he died.." & then I'd ask him again how he went. & my brother would tell me, every fucking time.
catch my drift? he was very popular when alive for good reasons. his music came from the heart, it was simple, complicated at the same time, coming from a rather tortured mind. it was creative, rebellious, new in a way that it wasn't so fucking pretentious.. I liked it. I loved it. the way it'd help you through an angry mood.. when he commited suicide, it wasn't such a surprise. but at the same time it was. because it was the final proof that it is possible to be as depressed, sad, hopeless, lost as he was. & I guess that shocked the world a whole lot more, than the boy next door commiting suicide, because so many people felt connected to him & his music. (which is twisted, of course, but that's the way it goes with every artist) his music was the ultimate angry-music. you could act it all out & then feel relieved & better. the sad thing was that it didn't have the same effect on Kurt.
I think 'overrated' is an overrated word. pop is 'overrated'. popularity overal is 'overrated'. but Nirvana? no. they were popular & as I said; popularity in itself is overrated. not Nirvana. I think it's the reality-check that people associate with Nirvana. just a tiny piece of shocking truth. something they didn't want to know & something they can't wrap their minds around. "he died from popularity". right. & I'm Queen of fucking Spain. the truth is he was depressed from a rediculously young age & carried the "suicide-gene", according to himself. people made a martyr out of him, because popularity is overrated.
They were overrated because they made shit music. I'm not even saying this as an opinion. It's true. Listen to a Nirvana song tell me it's good. The instruments and vocals are mediocre at best. Kurt sounds like a boy going through puberty. They're overrated because people liked this crap. They just knew how to market their image well. Teen angst was huge. Wait, it still is. But in a different way, sort of. The point is, I'm not denying they had any influence or significance to the music industry, because they did, it's just they did it with really really really bad music.
I like the melodies, I like the style, I like the attitude, I like the vocals (I love Kurt's voice. honestly. it's raw & rarr), I like the atmosphere. what you just posted IS your own personal supersubjective opinion. no way around it.
they didn't market their image, that was the whole charm of Nirvana. they didn't do anything to make themselves look any better than they really were, better yet, they didn't do anything to make themselves look even remotely any good. they were just.. there. for the listening. Kurt laughed at the ones who adored him, mocked them, ridiculed them, almost hated them. because he wasn't God's gift to mankind, but just some dude with a guitar & a whole lot on his mind.
admitting the fact they had an enormous influence on music, even till today, & THEN denying they were any good is just outright rediculous.
nirvana werent overrated...the only case you could possibly make for this is that so many shit bands came after them...and the original comments were just stupid...overly depressing? grow up...but no they werent overrated at all...they brought a new sound, a musical revolution...its hard to imagine to do that, and then be considered overrated...it just doesnt make sense...i think we all take nirvana for granted. just put on an album, some of us may not even remember the last time we listened to nirvana, but when you put on a nirvana album, you remember exactly why they are one of the greatest bands ever.
they didn't bring a new sound. they just brought it with a new style & a different flavour. & Nirvana's music was depressing, but only to those who were depressed. music can't be depressing to people, who aren't actually depressed. doh.
I'd almost agree with Ricky, saying they were at the right place, at the right time.. so yeah, the world was apparently very ready for Nirvana's music. but that doesn't take away that they initiated it, wrote it & played it. I'm sure the world probably is perfectly ready right now for another musical 'revolution', or just a change, a fresh new sound. I know I am. but I sure as hell know I couldn't ever provide it.
I wouldn't say Nirvana ever unchained a musical revolution, though. the genre existed, the instruments were nothing new (though people tell me Kurt's way with a guitar was pretty new), a raw voice was nothing new.. many people speak of Nirvana as the ultimate musical revolution & though I've seen many people try to argue this, they always get stuck on how to describe what exactly was so new/different about Nirvana. because something definitely was. I think it's mainly the fact they didn't put up such a fucking show & weren't as pretentious as ANY other band I've ever seen that's popular among a large group of people, let alone the whole world. many well known, famous bands/people/artists may have been inspired by Nirvana, but NO ONE so far has been able to capture that spirit. that spirit of sincerely having a love-hate relationship with fame, instead of chasing it like mad. the spirit of just being a dude with a guitar & a lot on his mind.
Grunger Dainsy
11-21-2005, 06:30 AM
I love Nirvana. Fuck all of you who think they are overrated. I'm not commenting on this topic anymore.
:D Me 2 man screw u guys nirvana r sik better than sell out bands lyk metallica and greenday
I'm glad people at least back their opinion up with arguments.
HeadAroundU
11-21-2005, 09:10 AM
I like them.They are good!
I don't know if they are overrated.
but they are as good as The offspring,Green day(but in different style)....etc
The truth is they showed up at the right time.
Chevelle
11-21-2005, 10:28 AM
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time? Sure they ushered in a new sound of music along with Pearl Jam and granted they aren't a bad band but that's about it. Most of their songs are overtly depressing and can only be listened to a few times before you get tired of them. Someone please back me up on this.
right.
in my opinion nirvana wasnt good at all.
I think most of the nirvana fans are teenagers that hate basically everything. And worshipping curt cobain is a likely sign of suicidal thoughts. But thats just my opinion.
pretty fly 88
11-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Nirvana is awesome. They are not overrated. Nevermind is one of the better albums out there, and every song on their greatest hits CD really rocks. And their boxset has some really good never-before heard recordings. Well, it has some really bad ones, too, but if you get it, you will fully appreciate their popularity. Really.
right.
in my opinion nirvana wasnt good at all.
I think most of the nirvana fans are teenagers that hate basically everything. And worshipping curt cobain is a likely sign of suicidal thoughts. But thats just my opinion.
I'm 21, am a VERY happy bunny, don't cherish any hate & have not one suicidal thought on my mind
The truth is they showed up at the right time.
you should read my thoughts on that whole "right time" theory. I'm thinking you might like it. it's just a few posts above yours.
All About Eve
11-21-2005, 04:11 PM
fuck You All
nirvana Was Best Band
and NIRVANA werent Overrated
Thanks for typing largely or I wouldn't have heard you.
You're right, they weren't overrated. They are now, though.
Chevelle
11-21-2005, 06:05 PM
I'm 21, am a VERY happy bunny, don't cherish any hate & have not one suicidal thought on my mind
glad to hear.
exception proves the rule.
I do know a few pretty normal persons who are fans of nirvana. Most of my friends have nirvana`s greatest hits cd but they arent nirvana fans. there are a few groovy songs on that album.
anyhow, I dont think cobain was a great artist.
I have this image of depressed drug addict. So I kind of think he was scum. He would have needed some kind of help.
JohnnyNemesis
11-21-2005, 06:09 PM
^You're quite an idiot, no offense.
Chevelle
11-21-2005, 06:17 PM
^You're quite an idiot, no offense.
so nice from you to share that fact with us.
dain84
11-21-2005, 06:19 PM
They were overrated because they made shit music. I'm not even saying this as an opinion. It's true. Listen to a Nirvana song tell me it's good. The instruments and vocals are mediocre at best. Kurt sounds like a boy going through puberty. They're overrated because people liked this crap. They just knew how to market their image well. Teen angst was huge. Wait, it still is. But in a different way, sort of. The point is, I'm not denying they had any influence or significance to the music industry, because they did, it's just they did it with really really really bad music.
They had great drumming and bass playing. Just listen to Lithium. GREAT bass line.
dain84
11-21-2005, 06:23 PM
right.
in my opinion nirvana wasnt good at all.
I think most of the nirvana fans are teenagers that hate basically everything. And worshipping curt cobain is a likely sign of suicidal thoughts. But thats just my opinion.
No, I love life. yet I love Nirvana. Wow, I must not exist.
Grunger Dainsy
11-22-2005, 05:39 AM
they are the most overrated band of all time :cool:
AS APOSED TO METALLICA PRETTY RICH COMING FROM SOME ONE WHO LYKS THEM SELL OUTS
Chevelle
11-22-2005, 06:12 AM
No, I love life. yet I love Nirvana. Wow, I must not exist.
and youre an idiot just like me. I said most of them are. And what I ment to say is that most of the nirvana fans/ cobain worshippers that I know.
You know there`s a slight difference between liking and being a fan. Also there`s a slight difference between worshipping and just liking.
So I ment those nirvana fans that represent the most radical side.
you people are so eager to stand up and show someone is wrong that you dont even try to understand what that person might have really tried to convey.
right. That`s my point and if you cant get it you might as well join my club of idiots. Applications can be sent via personal messages and be sure to remember attachments of everything that could prove your idiocy. Any valid credit card numbers will take you to the top of list.
JohnnyNemesis
11-22-2005, 08:17 AM
you people are so eager to stand up and show someone is wrong that you dont even try to understand what that person might have really tried to convey.
It's your job to express yourself clearly, not our job to try to hypothesize on what you're trying to convey.
Is it just me or is Nirvana possibly the most overrated band of all time?
Is it just me or does the Moon revolve around Earth? I've just always had this strange feeling.. Not sure..
glad to hear.
exception proves the rule.
I do know a few pretty normal persons who are fans of nirvana. Most of my friends have nirvana`s greatest hits cd but they arent nirvana fans. there are a few groovy songs on that album.
anyhow, I dont think cobain was a great artist.
I have this image of depressed drug addict. So I kind of think he was scum. He would have needed some kind of help.
so exception proves the rule, right? what if there are more exceptions than confirmations of this rule. because I'm pretty sure that's how it is.
I'm not a fanatic of Nirvana either. & even though I'm not, I still don't think they ever were 'overrated'. 'overrated' is overrated. but you could've read the explanation of that in my post. too bad it contains over three sentences & you probably won't ever take the effort to read it.
so clinically dpressed people are scum now? that's outright rediculous & incredibly moronic. & that, my dear, isn't an opinion.
It's your job to express yourself clearly, not our job to try to hypothesize on what you're trying to convey.
quoted for truth.
Chevelle
11-22-2005, 10:32 AM
It's your job to express yourself clearly, not our job to try to hypothesize on what you're trying to convey.
I agree. My bad.
All About Eve
11-22-2005, 04:55 PM
I agree. My bad.
Kind of off topic, but would you have admitted that if it wasn't JohnnyNemesis or someone else well known that had told you?
KuRt_CoBaiN
11-22-2005, 11:26 PM
so exception proves the rule, right? what if there are more exceptions than confirmations of this rule. because I'm pretty sure that's how it is.
I'm not a fanatic of Nirvana either. & even though I'm not, I still don't think they ever were 'overrated'. 'overrated' is overrated. but you could've read the explanation of that in my post. too bad it contains over three sentences & you probably won't ever take the effort to read it.
so clinically dpressed people are scum now? that's outright rediculous & incredibly moronic. & that, my dear, isn't an opinion.
Dude, I totaly agree with you :)
Not Ozymandias
11-23-2005, 02:16 AM
The people who believe this tend to have jaw-droppingly bad taste in music.
This thread is fucking clownshoes, they were/are the best hugely popular band since the 70's, and it really isn't even close. How can you be overrated when you're better than all your peers?
dain84
11-23-2005, 07:56 AM
The people who believe this tend to have jaw-droppingly bad taste in music.
This thread is fucking clownshoes, they were/are the best hugely popular band since the 70's, and it really isn't even close. How can you be overrated when you're better than all your peers?
The 70s?
Fucking retard. Their first hit was in 1991. And don't say it was a typo, because the 7 is nowhere near the 9.
...ever considered that he meant they're the best hugely popular band since the seventies, meaning there weren't any bands that successful & actually good after their time, nor before, until at least the seventies?
read, then think, THEN reply. & don't ever think you could ever pwn Not Ozymandias in any way. ktnxbye
All About Eve
11-23-2005, 08:28 AM
I've come to an early conclusion that Not Ozymandias is unpwnable.
dain84
11-23-2005, 08:33 AM
...ever considered that he meant they're the best hugely popular band since the seventies, meaning there weren't any bands that successful & actually good after their time, nor before, until at least the seventies?
read, then think, THEN reply. & don't ever think you could ever pwn Not Ozymandias in any way. ktnxbye
Well, he should type more clearly, as you did. He makes it sound as if they were around in the 70s.
dain84
11-23-2005, 08:34 AM
I've come to an early conclusion that Not Ozymandias is unpwnable.
Quit kissing ass (agreeing) with the mod.
All About Eve
11-23-2005, 08:38 AM
Not Ozymandias isn't a mod, dipshit. I've already talked to him some in the NFL thread, and unlike you, I'm smart enough to form my own, fact based opinions. If Joy hadn't said it first I would have. Don't whine because you lost.
Edit: I realized you were talking about Joy as the mod halfway through the post, but forgot to change that part. The dipshit comment stays, however.
Chevelle
11-23-2005, 09:04 AM
Kind of off topic, but would you have admitted that if it wasn't JohnnyNemesis or someone else well known that had told you?
yea I would have.. I still dont think I was wrong, I just didnt make myself clear.
He got me wrong. And now that I think, my post there probably sounded a bit harsh to a person that dont know me.
and..I have to repeat myself, this is not for you but for everyone who read my original post, there`s a clear difference between liking and being a fan, and there`s a clear difference between liking and worshipping. You dont have to be einstein to understand what kind of people I ment by that.
Patton
11-23-2005, 09:10 AM
I don't care enough to jump into the fray of stupidity, but I agree with post 69 (how appropriate).
I've come to an early conclusion that Not Ozymandias is unpwnable.
Yeah. In a world of turds, he's a floater.
All About Eve
11-23-2005, 09:11 AM
yea I would have.. I still dont think I was wrong, I just didnt make myself clear.
He got me wrong. And now that I think, my post there probably sounded a bit harsh to a person that dont know me.
and..I have to repeat myself, this is not for you but for everyone who read my original post, there`s a clear difference between liking and being a fan, and there`s a clear difference between liking and worshipping. You dont have to be einstein to understand what kind of people I ment by that.
NIRVANA WERE BEST.
NIRVANA isn't overrated
Fuck all of you who think they are overrated.
I have no idea who you could be talking about.
people, STOP what you're doing right now! never agree with me again, or you'll be moisturising my moderator-butt with your saliva!!
I've come to an early conclusion that Not Ozymandias is unpwnable.
true.
& aren't all worshipping fanatics complete total retards with no sense of reality? I don't think their retardation is in any way related to Nirvana.
Jakebert
11-24-2005, 11:20 AM
Nirvana is easily one of the most overrated bands of all time, without question. They got huge because they got signed to a major at the right time, and were considered new and different. But when you listen to the other bands that were around at that time, a lot of them being out longer than Nirvana, they were nothing original and they basically just copyied all of the other bands from that scene. The only difference is that unlike all of those other bands, Nirvana really wanted to become famous, and they were a lot more radio-friendly than those other bands.
If you look at the band objectivly, the music is nothing but sloppy, and not even the good "purposely sloppy" of Sonic Youth and other bands that can make that work. Kurt just played a bunch of feedback and cliched riffs, and wrote some nonsensical lyrics, and became known as a genius.
Kurt himself was manufactured and fake. One second he was criticizing the mainstream music scene in order to sound arty and original, then the next he was clinging onto all of that, and he craved stardom more than any other "alternative" star, and he did as much as possible to get it, then as soon as he did, he claimed to reject it. Either he had a mental disorder, or he knew exactly what he was doing. I'm guessing it was a mixture of the two.
When he killed himself, he cemented his role as a hero to that generation the same way every other dead rock star does, only unlike Morrisn, Hendrix, and Lennon, he barely deserved any of it. People started overly analyzing every bit of Nirvana's crappy career, and finding new ways to call him a genius. Songs off of "Bleach" that were once called horrible 70's cock-rock knock-offs played with extra-distortion were now being called brilliant, raw songs of poetic brilliance, even if when they first were released, all of the same people who were now loving it, hated it. People suddenly crowded around him, and sucked up to him to the point of necrophelia.
Nirvana were teh suck.
0r4ng3
11-24-2005, 11:25 AM
I don't think the first four paragraphs were necessary.
KROWOFSORROW
11-25-2005, 01:54 AM
i read kurt wasnt even that good at guitar. Some of their songs arent even written by them. Waaaaaaay over rated but they're still good
punk_girl16
11-25-2005, 02:30 AM
I dont think they were overrated.Nirvana were really cool band.There are alot of nirvana fans in my town.My boyfriend a nirvanamania.He worships to Kurt Cobain.I love nirvana but not too much.
PilZ-E
11-25-2005, 02:34 AM
I think Nirvana are a great band but they are overrated. Whats worse then that is the peopel who wear Beatles/Ac-Dc/Pink Floyd shirts and don't know anything about the bands.
I don't think the first four paragraphs were necessary.
I'd say his whole post was unnecessary after the massive train of arguments already mentioned, that'd blow away any he could ever make.
i read kurt wasnt even that good at guitar. Some of their songs arent even written by them. Waaaaaaay over rated but they're still good
he did write his own songs, as far as I know. & no one here cares about what shit you read. listen for yourself, THEN make a judgement on if he could play the guitar well or not. your arguments are invalid.
Jakebert
11-25-2005, 09:12 AM
I'd say his whole post was unnecessary after the massive train of arguments already mentioned, that'd blow away any he could ever make.
Yeah, you're right, intelligent, fact-based arguments like "KURT IS GOD!!!!" and "FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!" are way too good to argue with.
Yatesy
11-25-2005, 11:04 AM
i read kurt wasnt even that good at guitar. Some of their songs arent even written by them.
Yeah they were, oh sometimes the band members contributed to writing songs. And about the guitar playing, you have a thread en-titled KoRn, who don't play anything good.
All About Eve
11-25-2005, 12:02 PM
Kurt didn't write any overly completed songs, so he wasn't uber good in that way. But he did use some original techniques for lack of a better word. He was a skilled guitarist, but nothing special.
I don't know if I've actually said whether I think they're overrrated or not, actually. I think they were NOT overrated while they were around, but people worship them too much now. They should be rememberd as a skilled band and a foundation for some modern music, that's all.
Yatesy
11-25-2005, 12:12 PM
Kurt didn't write any overly completed songs, so he wasn't uber good in that way. But he did use some original techniques for lack of a better word. He was a skilled guitarist, but nothing special.
I don't know if I've actually said whether I think they're overrrated or not, actually. I think they were NOT overrated while they were around, but people worship them too much now. They should be rememberd as a skilled band and a foundation for some modern music, that's all.
That's probably the best post I've seen on this thread. And it's true, a lot of people seem to remember Nirvana for Kurt rather than the music he and the band produced.
Yeah, you're right, intelligent, fact-based arguments like "KURT IS GOD!!!!" and "FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!" are way too good to argue with.
I never posted anything remotely like that.
Kurt didn't write any overly completed songs, so he wasn't uber good in that way. But he did use some original techniques for lack of a better word. He was a skilled guitarist, but nothing special.
I don't know if I've actually said whether I think they're overrrated or not, actually. I think they were NOT overrated while they were around, but people worship them too much now. They should be rememberd as a skilled band and a foundation for some modern music, that's all.
yup, I agree. I think it's mainly Kurt's death that woke the world up in a way everyone went even more like; "oooh, Nirvana!"
Jakebert
11-25-2005, 04:34 PM
I never posted anything remotely like that.
I didn't say you specifically did, but I'd say a good 90% of the arguments against Nirvana being overrated in this thread were along those lines.
All About Eve
11-25-2005, 06:46 PM
yup, I agree. I think it's mainly Kurt's death that woke the world up in a way everyone went even more like; "oooh, Nirvana!"
I think you mean, "oooh, Kurt! ...oh, and those Nirvana guys."
I didn't say you specifically did, but I'd say a good 90% of the arguments against Nirvana being overrated in this thread were along those lines.
true. but there actually were good arguments made in here, that make your post redundant.
I think you mean, "oooh, Kurt! ...oh, and those Nirvana guys."
they're quite automatically linked.
noodlesfan
11-27-2005, 08:37 AM
if kurt was alive i would love to ask him if he regrets writing smells like teen spirit. that was the song that attracted all the yuppies
Jakebert
11-27-2005, 09:12 AM
lol, fuck yuppies, omg.
Original prankstA
11-27-2005, 09:59 AM
yes they are over-rated, that is part of the reason kurt cobain is dead
All About Eve
11-27-2005, 10:36 AM
yes they are over-rated, that is part of the reason kurt cobain is dead
It's the other way around.
Original prankstA
11-27-2005, 10:38 AM
It's the other way around.
no he killed himself because of their publicity, he wanted to still be an upcoming garage band from wishkaha
All About Eve
11-27-2005, 10:42 AM
You can't be serious.
Original prankstA
11-27-2005, 10:44 AM
what? why do you think he killed himself?
dain84
11-27-2005, 01:57 PM
what? why do you think he killed himself?
He didn't. And if he did, he did it because he was married to Courtney Love.
Jakebert
11-27-2005, 04:03 PM
That had nothing to do with why Kurt killed himself, idiot. Kurt craved fame from day 1 of Nirvana. He killed himself because he had a mental disorder that caused him to be bipolar, and on top of that he was a herion addict, which made everything worse.
I can't stand it when people claim Kurt killed himself because he didn't want to be famous. You read any biography of the guy and you'll see that he wanted his crappy band to be the biggest band in the world from day one, and that he did everything he could to make it big and remain big.
All About Eve
11-27-2005, 04:25 PM
The crappy adjective is unecessary.
The crappy adjective is unecessary.
I fully agree.
he wanted Nirvana to be big, but at the same time he hated popularity, the stupidity & simplicity of it, the lack of private life, & mocked the people who adored him. bipolar much? it ran in his family, he had the 'suicide gene', according to himself. (which I've already said) he was clinically depressed, which caused an escape-attempt into drugs. & let's just state they don't improve the situation of the depressed.
All About Eve
11-29-2005, 08:35 PM
I fully agree.
he wanted Nirvana to be big, but at the same time he hated popularity, the stupidity & simplicity of it, the lack of private life, & mocked the people who adored him. bipolar much? it ran in his family, he had the 'suicide gene', according to himself. (which I've already said) he was clinically depressed, which caused an escape-attempt into drugs. & let's just state they don't improve the situation of the depressed.
The way I've always thought of it is he wanted his band and his music to be popular, but he didn't want he himself to be popular and just got overwhelmed by it.
could very well be. if we could talk to the dead..
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