To Usa People: Bush Is A Terrorist

[4moreyears]

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

The marines also committed secret purges alongside Japanese fascist police in which thousands of civilians were slaughtered right before the UN got involved.

Give me a source for that.

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

ter·ror·ism

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Unlawful - When a nation sends you into combat, you are not being unlawful if it is a wrong or lost cause.

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

They died at Belleau Wood to preserve their own war machine.

So...you're saying America went to war in the early 1900's in order to maintain a war machine? Hmm...that is strange. The Germans invaded Europe twice, and AMERICA is on the warpath?

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

No, they killed thousands of people and destroyed to cities to end the war in the pacific.

Wow, good job on your history. Are you trying to say the Marines dropped the atomic bombs? Army Air Corps buddy. Not that it makes a lick of difference, but if you can't even get the small picture, I doubt you can maintain that of the larger image.

Also, what would we have done if we didn't drop those bombs? We would've invaded the mainland of Japan. More casualties on both sides would occur. Millions of people on each side getting killed, including Marines,
British, and Japanese opposition forces. Then, we would have 51 states. Congratulations, that's a much better idea.

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

They've died in Iraq to take away a nation's soveirgnty

Speaking that I knew many Marines that died in Iraq, I believe I can defend this point better than you can. I aided in giving food and water to assorted villages NEARLY EVERY DAY. This is taking away their sovereignty? By helping them?

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

They were protecting their interests in Beirut, not peace.

This is a perfect example of how wrong you are. The Muslim-Christian war had been going on in Beirut for years. Reagan sent the Marines there on a PEACEKEEPING mission. The Marines guarding the camp weren't even given ammunition to show how peaceful we were. 2 unknown Muslim extremists drove through the barricades, and crashed into the barracks, killing nearly every person in there. I want to know where you get your information about how the Marines were protecting their own interests in Lebanon. I don't understand how you fail to distinguish between a nation and its military. Disagreeing with a nation is one thing. But assuming their military makes all the choices for them is just idiotic. Think.

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

No they haven't. Name one time since the war of 1812 have American soldiers died defending our nation.

Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941. Cpl Anderson and LCpl McCroglou fired pistols and anti-aircraft weapons at the Japanese air force. Want another one?

Originally Posted by SicN Twisted

I know quite abit about AMerican military history.

Keep telling yourself that.

I just don't understand your train of thought. We are attacked by Japan, so men go out there to win the war which was declared on us. And you would spit in their faces? You can't live a day without blaming the United States for something. Even when it is clearly from another source. 9/11 for example. Al Qaida attacked us, and you still blame Bush, using nothing but nonsense to back up your point.

You know what I think? I think you're too caught up in this Democrat/Republican thing. I think you are afraid to state your own opinion, so the easiest solution must be that everything Bush does is wrong.

Think about what you believe, before you blurt it out.

[SicN Twisted]

"Unlawful - When a nation sends you into combat, you are not being unlawful if it is a wrong or lost cause."

If it is against international law, it is unlawful. Countless American military acts directly violated international law.




"So...you're saying America went to war in the early 1900's in order to maintain a war machine? Hmm...that is strange. The Germans invaded Europe twice, and AMERICA is on the warpath?"

Britain, Frace, Germany, and the Ottoman empire basically had an imperialist war over borders and control. America joined the allies quest for expansion. You know that months before we joined in 1917, US officials were considering siding with Germany? That war had no right and wrong, it was just politics, and every country, including the US, acted in self interest.


"Wow, good job on your history. Are you trying to say the Marines dropped the atomic bombs? Army Air Corps buddy. Not that it makes a lick of difference, but if you can't even get the small picture, I doubt you can maintain that of the larger image.

Also, what would we have done if we didn't drop those bombs? We would've invaded the mainland of Japan. More casualties on both sides would occur. Millions of people on each side getting killed, including Marines,
British, and Japanese opposition forces. Then, we would have 51 states. Congratulations, that's a much better idea.

Actually, we rejected a British document showing evidence that Japan was planning to surrender. Japan knew it was going down anyway and was trying to find the best detail. We dropped that bomb to scare Russia.


Speaking that I knew many Marines that died in Iraq, I believe I can defend this point better than you can. I aided in giving food and water to assorted villages NEARLY EVERY DAY. This is taking away their sovereignty? By helping them?

Do you actually know anything about this war besides what you're doing personally? Do you know anything about politics at all? The United States arbitrarily invaded a soveirg nation that was proven to be no threat to it's security. You took over Iraq and know you're occupying it.


"This is a perfect example of how wrong you are. The Muslim-Christian war had been going on in Beirut for years. Reagan sent the Marines there on a PEACEKEEPING mission. The Marines guarding the camp weren't even given ammunition to show how peaceful we were. 2 unknown Muslim extremists drove through the barricades, and crashed into the barracks, killing nearly every person in there. I want to know where you get your information about how the Marines were protecting their own interests in Lebanon. I don't understand how you fail to distinguish between a nation and its military. Disagreeing with a nation is one thing. But assuming their military makes all the choices for them is just idiotic. Think."

The French had ammo in Beirut, the US were basically just there as observors. They wanted to help make sure France was protecting their mutual agenda. Also, I know that the military doesn't make foreign policy desisions. They still uphold them. The German army in the world war two did not make the desision to invade Poland - Hitler did, but it was still a terrorist. The suicide bombers who attacked us on 911 obviously did not calculate the operation themselves.



"Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941. Cpl Anderson and LCpl McCroglou fired pistols and anti-aircraft weapons at the Japanese air force. Want another one?"

Pearl harber was a military colony, I hate when people try to use it as an example. The Japanese wanted more power in the pacific so they attacked an isolated military base. Nobody actually defended our nation from invasion or attack.

"I just don't understand your train of thought. We are attacked by Japan, so men go out there to win the war which was declared on us. And you would spit in their faces? You can't live a day without blaming the United States for something. Even when it is clearly from another source. 9/11 for example. Al Qaida attacked us, and you still blame Bush, using nothing but nonsense to back up your point."

Nonsence? How about a specific understanding of world events? The Americans expanded into Saudi Arabia, and we fund Israeli state terrorism against against Palestine. Bin laden regarded these as attacks, so he retaliated. I don't blame Bush, actually. I'd say it's mainly the fault of Israel and my government for giving it aid in occupying and oppressing Palestine. I don't like Bin Laden, but I think the US needs to hold itself to the same standards as it does the rest of the world. If you do that, you'll see that the marines have committed worse terrorist acts then Bin Laden.

I said already that most atrocities were committed after world war two. I'm not angry at the world war two veterans - a large amount of my family served in that war and I'm proud of them for it. Although I think the war would have been preventable if things were done differently before it, in the circumstanced we did what was neccesary. That's a case of unpreventable war, much different from our post world world 2 expansion.

"You know what I think? I think you're too caught up in this Democrat/Republican thing. I think you are afraid to state your own opinion, so the easiest solution must be that everything Bush does is wrong."

Far from the truth? Do you thik I'm a democrat? I've said nothing implying support for the democratic party. Of course my opinions were influenced by like minded thinkers, but I basically developed them with my conscience and my learning through research.

"Think about what you believe, before you blurt it out."

I have a comprehensive understanding of my thought structure. You know on other hand, are a brainwashed jongoist that can't hold your country the same standards that you apply to everyone else. You like what your president does cause they say it, and you have a false sence of nationalistic duty. But that's okay, soldiers aren't meant to think about why they're killing, cause then the military would be completely dysfunctional. Soldiers just kill.

[greencows12]

Originally Posted by pOpe

I've got a question that I can't answer, because it is very very.... (I don't have words to say this, it's incredible). Why you, people who live in USA, had voted bush??

Do you know that Bush is a terrorist? Do you know that american's soldiers kill people without reasons? do you know that they kill children? No, you don't know 'cause youre newspapers and youre tv censor the images, and they only tell lies to american people. Before november, I belive that the only bastard in USA was Bush, but now I see that I was wrong, 'cause Bush is the president now. Well, I belive that Bush will start the III WORLD WAR, and he will destroy the world with youre wars and youre contamination. In Spain people we throwed the president Aznar, the terrorist Aznar, cause the 11-M attaks was his fault because 99% spanish people didn't want to go to Iraq war... why didn't you do that? why did you vote a president who helps Sharon to kill all the palestinian? palestinian kids too? Why all the countries who Bush visit there are thousands of people who insult Bush? I know that, because Bush is a nazi, and if he are president now, is because all of you, american people, are nazi. It's too sad that in the most important country of the world live the most ignorant people. It isn't strange that terrorist attaks USA, 'casue you have won it.

Well, I hope that violence will finish someday, and I belive in a wolrd with peace, but with this country that is impossible. If you have more attaks, I won't cry, 'cause american soldiers kill much more people than terrorist.


Pd: sorry about my engllish... I'm spanish

I didn't vote for that fucker, and I wouldn't, even if I was old enough to vote. I insisted people vote, even though i'm an anarchist just to get him out of office. He is a terrorist, liar, killer and a sexist.

[Satanic_Surfer]

Yes, but if you're an Anarchist too. It means that you're aware of that a change of government or president will not change anything but the outside of their image.
I agree, we need to get Bush off the throne, but our job is not to remove him in favour for someone else to take over. Our job is to make sure we remove the PRESIDENT, not BUSH in particular.
Im on the thoughts of that maybe it would have been worth (if i was an American) to vote against Bush... just like everybody else.
But i dont think it's worth it because it wouldent make a change. The problem is not Bush in person, but what he stands for.
Unfortunatelly he is not the only one of his kind that stand for those very same things.
We need to take actions against the power regimes. We want to take actions against what people cannot vote for, Bush is after all the only part of the government and state that people CAN vote for. Him as person is useless to remove.
If we would remove him in person, from the throne, our opposition would only become stronger.

[Leo_ARG]

Originally Posted by Satanic_Surfer

Yes, but if you're an Anarchist too. It means that you're aware of that a change of government or president will not change anything but the outside of their image.
I agree, we need to get Bush off the throne, but our job is not to remove him in favour for someone else to take over. Our job is to make sure we remove the PRESIDENT, not BUSH in particular.
Im on the thoughts of that maybe it would have been worth (if i was an American) to vote against Bush... just like everybody else.
But i dont think it's worth it because it wouldent make a change. The problem is not Bush in person, but what he stands for.
Unfortunatelly he is not the only one of his kind that stand for those very same things.
We need to take actions against the power regimes. We want to take actions against what people cannot vote for, Bush is after all the only part of the government and state that people CAN vote for. Him as person is useless to remove.
If we would remove him in person, from the throne, our opposition would only become stronger.

Well, being anarchist doesen't mean you can't vote.You decide.
Within Anarchism there has always been a controversy about it.You had Malatesta that has the same point of view as you (not to vote) and Merlino said that you should vote, but never try to get into the government or a duty on it.

I think you should vote in extreme situations, when your vote counts a lot, for example Ohaio (I think that was the key state), when there is the danger that a man like bush can get re-elected.But everybody has the right to decide to vote, and that's great.
In my country you are not allowed to not vote.

[Noodles is gay]

Originally Posted by pOpe

To Usa People: Bush Is A Terrorist.

Yes he is; well done.

[Satanic_Surfer]

so Leo, what country do u live in, where ure not allowed to vote?
Or is it because you're under the age limit?
That you cannot vote though, is not a very big loss. The way it goes will not be affected, since in te civilizations as we call it, in today. We've got all these big business corporations doing that work, even banks. But that's nothing the people can change.
Of course you can vote if you think it matters, and i think it would be a good idea if i thought it matters.
The problem as i see it, is not to vote or not to vote.
The problem is that is doesnt matter if you vote or not, when the only alternatives are run by the same powers.

[wheelchairman]

I have the feeling he is from Argentina. And in Argentina you are allowed to vote, you're not allowed to abstain from voting. Which makes sense in many ways.

[Satanic_Surfer]

Oh... doesnt Switzerland have that rule too?
Sorry people, i simply missread what he said there.
That's sick though. That is no longer that all so "democratic" thing about that everyone has got a right to choose, instead they have to force people to choose whatever is offered by the politicans, that's low.
Individuality is being choked.

[wheelchairman]

by forcing them to vote? I would hardly call that oppression. Unless you vote by sacrificing your children or something, which I'm fairly confident that the CIA fact book would've mention.